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On partypoker.it, the pokerroom joind by Fisichella (F1 pilot), there is the possibility to make a deal between players sitting at the final table.
It works as follow: all players must agree to that (and check a box), once they agree appears a window with the prizes for every positions.
every player has to agree once again to those prizes or come back to the table.
the chipleader has a little bit different window and has the possibility to change the prizes for every position and submit the prizes to others that can only accept or not.
I'm pretty new to this kind of deals, I would like to have suggestion about it: when it is convenient to agree or not, methods to calculate prizes, and in general all tips and suggestions will be very appreciated
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Makes sense only, if there are large sums of money on stake.
Just look at your chipstack in comparison to the other stacks. Do some ICM calculations, and you can see how much your chips are worth. Don't accept less money.
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Just look at your chipstack in comparison to the other stacks. Do some ICM calculations, and you can see how much your chips are worth. Don't accept less money.
Seems pretty obvious, but that is it in a nutshell.
Magatt, it depends on the amount of prizes. Following tournaments on TV I noticed that ( in Europe only and in Italy in particular ) often players find a deal to share money or to increase the number of awarded players.
Caro Magatt, se parliamo di 2 o 3 dollari di premio lascia stare..... se invece sei un fenomeno e parliamo di tanti piccioli allora trova un deal tutta la vita
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I partially disegree with the statement: it make sense only if a lot of money are involved. Playing one hour or more at a final table for a few money is bores me: so I would prefeer to have a deal and play elsewhere.
@ shokaku: if I remember right ICM calculation (only read once some months ago) sostantially consider the amount of my chips related to all the chips involved in the game; then compare that percentage to the price still to assign.
maybe I'm wrong, but my Q is: do ICM calculation take in consideration blind levels, position of the player at tha table (SB BB or CO UTG and so on) or those factors don't count in the deal decision?
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I have seen these make a deal buttons before but never been in a position to do so. I've been at plenty of final tables but never seen more than one person at a time be willing to make deal. In fact I was doubting that any such deal ever took place. I was curious as to how they work.
The way I see it, the game is over when one person wins, that's the point of the game, to get all the chips. I would only consider a deal if I for some reason had to leave but even then I wouldn't want to take less than I've earned.
I have made a deal before in live games. This sometimes involves just splitting the prize, which pays first place only into a second place and a third place. We would then continue to play the game until the end so it would just minimize the risk for each player.
I don't think I will ever get the chance in an online game.
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Posted by shokaku: The position will change with each hand. So if the blinds are not insanly high, compared to the stacks,position does matter only a little here.
ty for answer.
did I miss ICM calculation or do I remember right?
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As far as im concerned you make the deal when you first enter the game, id be looking at it and thinking hmmm, who does not fancie thier chances here and use it to advantage.
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I would make a deal only if I think that the player at the table are better poker players than I am. Another situation where I could make a deal if I'm too tired to play my best poker or the money involved is higher than 50% of my bankroll.
As someone said here, I think you play these MTT for the biggest prize, not to make a deal at the final table (where is always hard to reach).
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Ty everybody for your answer just to make it clear want to say to you I was considering these deals because I'm playing freerolls there only as side games of sng (I'm grinding a sng leaderboard). Those freeroll are a donkament for the first 1 - 1,5 hours so I play ultrathight and ultraaggressive when I have premium hands so I can be focused on sng; final stage of freeroll need more attention so I would prefeer to make a deal ( and get some free money - always welcome ) and focuse on sng. I would not take deals in consideration when a lot of money are involved cause I would aim at the big prize.
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i made a deal once , was head up with a guy and was behind , party poker calculated firstly and did not agree than the other guy was agree to give me more money and so i accepted the deal . no regrets about that and would make a deal always even when i am chipleader .
