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It is kind of rare but happends when the first UTG limps in somtimes the most of the table try for any hand so if u have QQ and there is that situation but with a big raise right before you (u know he may have AK, or any poket pair) trying to get some of the limpers out. do u think a atraight allin push would be the right move, or is it better the call and wait for no A or K at the flop?
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if im in a tourney i'm all inbecause i'm ahead exept if got kk or AA so i think all in is the way but you can always lose but i think it the best way in this situation
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tourney/SNG - I'd probably shove, theres times in an MTT where a shove is needed, I think this is one of those times, if you get a caller you're very likely ahead, normally worst case it's a coin flip, only occasionally will you see AA/KK, most you're probably facing 1 over, 2 overs if you're unlucky and also quite likely a smaller pp
in cash game, I'd either call the raise and hope some of the limpers drop out and see the flop, if it was a loose table I'd re-raise to be more certain of getting limpers to fold. But I'd only re-raise if I were prepared to call my stack if the original raiser shoves - so it'd depend a lot on his image and what you put him on given all the limpers..
QQ is always hard anyway, not quite so bad as the dreaded JJ, because a lot of the time with QQ and a raise you gonna face AQ which is a good situation. Where as 10/JJ is almost always facing 2 overs if you make a raise. But QQ is tricky and I'd just add, too my MTT/SNG idea of shoving it, this is more in the mid-late stages.. early on I'd prob just call a small-med raise and see the flop. I wouldn't risk tourney life here if blinds were still small..
QQ's are strong hole cards, but can already be dominated by AA,KK,AK. A large preflp raise can be in that person's hand range. Best to just call and wait for the flop. Having some kind of history with the player would go a long way to narrowing the hand rnge down.
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I'm assuming you are asking in the context of cash games. In a tourney, this is very chip stack dependent, so I will not go there, I'd say call and hope for a no overcards flop and try to get it in there (unless the action gets very heavy also on the flop). I'd rather not even see a turn with QQ and many people on the pot
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Posted by Alelkz16: It is kind of rare but happends when the first UTG limps in somtimes the most of the table try for any hand so if u have QQ and there is that situation but with a big raise right before you (u know he may have AK, or any poket pair) trying to get some of the limpers out. do u think a atraight allin push would be the right move, or is it better the call and wait for no A or K at the flop?
well you know any AK and your toast for all ur chips, theres always another hand
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As usual: it depends.
Is the UTG limper tricky? Than he could have a big pair himself, looking for a reraise.
Who has made the big raise? What is the range of that guy?
If you put him on AK, you can go over the top here. If there is room for a reraise, or if you have to go all-in straight away, depends on the stack sizes.
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well, if you use the P***********y.com Equilator, you can see, that you have a ~58% chance against AKo and a 54% chance against AKs. When another limper calls with the range of all pocketpairs, and JTs-AKs and QJo-AKo (the good "fish" hands) you have at least 45% with QQ against AKo/s 36% and 19% for the limper. So, if you're going all-in its not the badest choice, when you're considering the Pot-odds. I wouldn't push with a 10$ stack after a 1$ raise. As shortstack I push, otherwise you can watch the behavior after the flop after a call.
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Depends the situation, if I expect some others will limp too(which happens a lot at some tables) , then I would raise pot size, can be enough to take the blinds and the chips of the limpers, and if there's one caller I'll look the flop, if it looks good I push it all in, especially when there are some draws, just to give them bad pot odds. I think QQ is a good hand, but play it agressive. Even when there's an overcard you can try a continuation bet, because with your preflop raise they will probably put you on aces or AK. If you play it right you'll win a lot with this hand.
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There is never a 100% correct thing to do in this situation. You have to take into account the stakes you're playing, the players you're playing against, and how deep your stack is.
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Posted by dozn01: hmmm....... sometimes the limper could have have pocket aces , expecting some1 else to raise it, trying to trap players and then push all in,
normaly i would just call and like you said hope no over cards come on the flop
Best action in general IMO. Depends on the game, of course, and the situation etc. Sometimes a small raise again to see the reaction, but is risky if he goes all-in, because then you don't know what to do, and have to go on the game situation.
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Hi Alelkz16.
Many options.
Cash games: (FR, i don´t play SH)
1. You play SSS. Allin without doubt. Easy way. 2. You play BSS. Reraise is the best move. QQ is a nice and strong hand.. we are gonna only call with that?
Tournament and SnG:
1. Low blinds. Play carefull, but without fear. I like to see flop in that situation. 2. Medium/High blinds. Push and push and push again .
Really depends on so much things... Tourney / Cash Game - Stack Sizes....
I would even be willing to fold that handin a tourney if the Raiser is the only one at the table who has me covered and I classify him as a super tight player. Why put in all your chips when You have to expect that best You can get is a coin flip.
If the raiser is looser and You think he would make such a move with any pocket pair or even hands like KJs or something like A10 then i would push to give him a chance of making a big costly error.
The bigger my own stack is the less likely I am to go allin in that situation. THe smaller Your stack the better it is to push, because You gain by getting a chance that everyone folds. With a big stack You can afford to call and reduce the risk to go broke against someone hitting his overpair.
Posted by dozn01: hmmm....... sometimes the limper could have have pocket aces , expecting some1 else to raise it, trying to trap players and then push all in,
normaly i would just call and like you said hope no over cards come on the flop
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usuallyin cash games i rise or allin, but if entered all in more than 2 players i fold (dificult decision) sng if blinds are low i call or rise 2pot -preflop blids are high all in ever
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