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Posted by Macubaas: Grabbed by **removed by admin** NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer SB ($0.92) BB ($2.38) UTG ($2.23) Hero ($2.03) UTG+2 ($3.32) MP1 ($0.68) CO ($2) BTN ($2.19)
CO posts $0.02
Dealt to Hero J:diamond: J:spade:
fold, Hero raises to $0.08, fold, fold, CO calls $0.06, BTN calls $0.08, SB calls $0.07, BB calls $0.06
FLOP ($0.40) 9:club: J:heart: 7:club:
SB checks, BB bets $0.12, Hero raises to $0.55, CO folds, BTN raises to $2.11 (AI), SB folds, BB folds, Hero ??
I'll post the conclusion after your comments
I'll call here every time, but given it's the button 8,10 is certainly a possibility, but even then you've got quite a few outs.. Flush draw is very possible to, given the allin, 810 might flat here.. I think you're ahead more often than he has 8,10
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I smell T8 here, but we are priced in to call with our top set with the dead money already in the pot and there are other hands (2 pair, set, flushdraw) he can play that way.
There's a lot more hands you can beat than hands that beat you there so of course its an easy call. At these stakes, some people would go all in there with 2 overcards or just a flush draw + a gutshot, so you just can't fold after you bet 51c in that pot. But of course, you always have to be carefull with 4 callers to your raise!!
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Easy call, villain showing up with 10-8 is just a bad beat and poor play. Even if he has 10-8, like it's said you've got outs. I'd actually say I suspect this is a set over set situation. Very easy to think at least one of those limpers called with a mid-low pp looking to set mine. Possibly someone trying to slow play aces in this spot as well.
I personally hate pocket jacks, they are a really hard hand to play.
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With three of a kind Jacks this is a easy call. BTN can hold a flush draw or a straight. Ok i know you get a suckout in this hand ( ), but at this imit, a lot of players reraises all in only with a draw.
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I'm going to call also lol. i'll make believe that the 8/10 folded at that small preflop raise and that now he's till passing out .. even if he didn't i still like my chances and ill keep fingers crossed
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too much money in the pot to fold this one, i dnt think i'll fold JJ here at these limits. if opponent has 10,8 then pray for full house/ quads or else reload
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I always call here. The hands were freeze and the odds was for you. I call and check if the probability is my own. But, everyone has the good guess to this poker hand. That is mine.
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So far i really like retribution's way of thinking and of course this is a call, since i also have many outs and in this moment the chances for for me.
I didn't had any history on this player but it looked pretty tight over the 12 hands i played at the table with him, so 10 8 was not an option even on button.
He had probably one of the best hands you could think in this spot but still it was a bad play from him since in his place i would just call to see if i get the flush. Yes, he had KT of clubs...
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For personal experience over the years and situations like the above i would have called the bet without raising. By raising you might kick out the str and flush chasers, but if you dont and they call you are going for a bigger loss. Ive lost more times like this than ive won by playing the pot with flopped set
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You have a lot of outs in this situation and at NL2 many players pushes with nothing or a draw. If he had a straight, you had a good chance to give him a re-suck with a FullHouse
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I think the odds are actually 60/40 t, as if he had k10clubs, he had 8 clean outs to the straight (QQQQ) and (8888) and uhm 7 clubs for around 15 outs, OTF that puts him at about a 60% to catch the card he needs. Mind you, you have around 35% chance to pair the board by the river. I'm too tired to do the math, but I think you both got it in in a good spot. Plus you have all that extra dead money in the pot once BB folds, so I think pot odds would easily dictate a call.
Very curious, did he suckout on the turn or the river?
About 50% of the time you are beat but I would call AT LEAST 1 more street cuzz against 2 guys you have 30%-35% equity and they kill some of each others outs if 1 or both are drawing but these are the micros this is almost like playmone they could be calling with like K2 off if they are bad players...if you use holdem manager or PT3 this should be a lil more clear but as I said AT Leas 1 more streat cuz of the equity against the 2 of them but if you have a solid read go with it...It is possible that 1 of them was playing cute with like KK but its unlikley...and you are super priced in so you kinda have to call 1 more time then after that if you miss take a few seconds...If you have a read on the first guy whos hand is probaply face up...(2 pairs or 2 overs and a flush draw but I might be wrong cuzz hes probably a fish so I dont know how he would play it) but the fact that 4 plyrs caled the draws lost a lot of outs and the will probabl misplythem and if they get there you will ntice it easy and cut your loses...
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Here is the full hand guys, so you can better analyze it, it also includes the pot odds as calculated by holdem manager so you don't need to make the maths, and as you can see i had better chances : NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer SB ($0.92) BB ($2.38) UTG ($2.23) Hero ($2.03) UTG+2 ($3.32) MP1 ($0.68) CO ($2) BTN ($2.19)
CO posts $0.02
Dealt to Hero J:diamond: J:spade:
fold, Hero raises to $0.08, fold, fold, CO calls $0.06, BTN calls $0.08, SB calls $0.07, BB calls $0.06
FLOP ($0.40) 9:club: J:heart: 7:club:
SB checks, BB bets $0.12, Hero raises to $0.55, CO folds, BTN raises to $2.11 (AI), SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls $1.40 (AI)
TURN ($4.42) 9:club: J:heart: 7:club: 2:spade:
RIVER ($4.42) 9:club: J:heart: 7:club: 2:spade: T:diamond:
As I said one of my gueses is correct an over with a str8 draw in this case a flush draw too...well you made a standard play in a tough spot even tho you probably didnt know it you handeld it perfectly cuzz I would have been under pressure but I love pressure play my best under it...
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As has already been said. JJ is a must call in this position, the 8/10 possibilities are low and I would suggest a higher pair QQ - AA or a flush draw.
You also have the chance of making quads or a full house on the turn or river.
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This is what i mean. At this limit a lot of players go allin only with a draw. This time you are the winner but i saw it so often that the other player hit this draw. A call is and was the right move in this situation.
), but at this imit, a lot of players reraises all in only with a draw.
till passing out 
.. even if he didn't i still like my chances and ill keep fingers crossed 
