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  4-Jan-12, 16:37   #1
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labben 

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hi ,i played a lot of poker in my life,but now i play more and more casinogames,most of the time slots.i dont trust this pokerklients.stranges cards and stranges hits whith crap before flop.i think if you gonna play poker you should play live with friends or so. Big Smile

     
  4-Jan-12, 16:45   #2
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lukasb 

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I've played 30+ casinos back in the day (quite an addiction) and got payed out once. ok it was all no deposits but gives a good idea of the "persistence" of their results lol. Im taking in slower with poker ( not enough no deposits for me anyway Tongue ) and so far i've played 6 sites and got payed out by 2 of them ( all trough BRM btw a big thx for that Thumbs Up Blink ) with the 3rd on the way so... by these results i have to say poker is way better m8.

     
  4-Jan-12, 16:57   #3
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shokaku 

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If you don't trust the poker software, why do you trust the casino software? Confused

Most of the time they are from the same company.

     
  4-Jan-12, 16:59   #4
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mahdrof 

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Sorry but I have to disagree with you on that one. Maybe you are on a hot streak, but the casino always wins in the end. I have played a fair amount of casino online too, and my recommendation is don't gamble with too much, and cash out when you hit a true hot streak.

Some people think that poker deals are fixed based on what cards other players call with. As somebody who has played a lot of NL cash games, when I feel somebody is raising in early position with monsters, but they have raised something like 3 or 4 times the big blind and I am sitting in late position with something like 7-8 suited or small pockets, a call is definitely worth it because if you hit solidly the guy with AA/KK will usually not be able to lay them down and will stack off. After that I will be called every name in the book, but who cares when your opponent's chips are now in your stack? Evil

     
  4-Jan-12, 18:04   #5
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xdomagojx 

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I saw 3-4 guys who think similar like you on bet poker on HPP. They constantly typed in chat which number is "rigged" to win next and bet on them accordingly. They didnt watched percentages at all or bet like i did covering "favorites". Needless to say they ve lost like 100 € in 20 hands. I joined with 10 € and cashed out with 60€.
Thing you dont understand is obviously poker theory. Comparing poker to casino is like comparing bicycle accident with car accident. You can die on bicycle as well but what is more likely?
Every day you can see similar threads on this forum mostly whinning threads when someone is pissed of by a bad beat. Has nothing to do with reality.
Every casino is rigged so that house has to win by their own admission. Some casinos offer 80% payout, some up to 99% but thing in common to all of them is that you HAVE TO LOSE YOUR MONEY in the long run.
Blackjack is perfect example of that having high percentage of payout. You can earn so much money in 1 day on blackjack while you are on the winning streak but if you continue playing that tiny percentage that is against you will catch up to you eventually and you wont realize what hit you.

Cheers.

     
  4-Jan-12, 18:29   #6
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pochui 

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Posted by shokaku:
If you don't trust the poker software, why do you trust the casino software? Confused

Most of the time they are from the same company.



Thumbs Up great point- a software is a software, it doesn't matter what does it offer- poker, casino, bingo etc. what matters is the processes behind the software, credibility of creators/ operators- imo there is no guarantee that any software in gambling business is trusty - even the ones of the major operators...but hey what do you want, you can't even trust your wife Big Smile so why should you trust gambling moguls Big Smile

     
  4-Jan-12, 19:55   #7
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MilenkoK 
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All I can say here is that on poker sites someone must take money,allways(tourneys,cash ,SnG)!!!
It can be anyone,you or somebody else.Is it rigged?You can say it when some lucker or donk burn your nuts,but think how many times you was that lucker and how many times you won against dominating cards.It is happening to all of us.
Can you say that somebody must win cash on casinos?

     
  4-Jan-12, 20:59   #8
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magatt966 

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Posted by shokaku:
If you don't trust the poker software, why do you trust the casino software? Confused

Most of the time they are from the same company.



also consider this: in casino games you are playing against the house

     
  4-Jan-12, 21:14   #9
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Greenmohave 

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I feel just the opposite of you! I don't trust those casino games and nothing against your belief. I know the slots are fun and very addicting, but it's so fast paced. If you don'yt mind me asking! Have you ever cashed out on any casino games? Also, where do you play for the most part? Good Luck to All!

     
  5-Jan-12, 00:50   #10
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Arithmajik 

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Posted by magatt966:
Posted by shokaku:
If you don't trust the poker software, why do you trust the casino software? Confused

Most of the time they are from the same company.




also consider this: in casino games you are playing against the house


@Shotaku: Lol, my first thought exactly.

@Magatt966: Double lol. My second.


If you're gonna play software that yyou believe is rigged why not do it against players instead of the casino. At least there is less incentive to rig.

Black Jack played properly is the only potentially profitable casino game. One thing I've wondered though: Will they boot you for counting cards in an online casino just like in a land based one?

     
  5-Jan-12, 05:18   #11
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arthur72 

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If you do some research on this Topic there is actually a way to always win on casino's and its not about cheating the system or anything. Because I haven't gone ahead and done this myself I just may take it on one day.

     
  5-Jan-12, 06:01   #12
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shokaku 

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Posted by Arithmajik:
Black Jack played properly is the only potentially profitable casino game. One thing I've wondered though: Will they boot you for counting cards in an online casino just like in a land based one?

Counting cards at online blackjack is pointless. They reshuffle after every hand, so you are always playing with the full deck of cards.

     
  5-Jan-12, 10:03   #13
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Macubaas 
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Casino games are easy to play but unfortunately you can't do anything to influence the outcome of your result...

In poker you can always bluff Big Smile

     
  5-Jan-12, 14:07   #14
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pochui 

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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by Arithmajik:
Black Jack played properly is the only potentially profitable casino game. One thing I've wondered though: Will they boot you for counting cards in an online casino just like in a land based one?

Counting cards at online blackjack is pointless. They reshuffle after every hand, so you are always playing with the full deck of cards.


correct- there is no such thing as card counting in online casino's, the only exception is at live online casino's haven't tried that, but i wonder about this....maybe someone had a go- would be nice to hear how it came off...
Tongue

     
  5-Jan-12, 14:24   #15
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Mober 
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Its not as it used to be many years ago with card counting.
The last time i went to a casino and played Blackjack they were using 8 decks and were shuffling
everytime when 5 decks were out. Minimising that way your chances.

     
  6-Jan-12, 04:50   #16
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Arithmajik 

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Oh ha ha, that makes sense then. I thought they had to emulate them as best as possible to a live deal and part of that would be keeping track of a virtual deck. But I guess not. And doesn't that also mean that Black Jack online is absolutely -EV? What other edge could there possibly be?

     
  6-Jan-12, 05:52   #17
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shokaku 

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Posted by Arithmajik:
What other edge could there possibly be?

The only chance to be +ev online is a good bonus. But those have gone the way of the dinosaurs a few years ago. Evil

     
  6-Jan-12, 06:35   #18
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Serpang 
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Posted by shokaku:
If you don't trust the poker software, why do you trust the casino software? Confused

Most of the time they are from the same company.



Right point. Play casino games, exclude live baccarat, blackjack, bingo just lucky game. What skill do you need to play slot ? You just frustrating play poker Big Smile Big Smile at other site you need something for entertainment, I had that condition before.

Have fun and Good luck

     
  6-Jan-12, 11:31   #19
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Fakiry 

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Most of people who have the first experience with poker on the online mode tend to experiment casino games at least for a while. This may have something to do with the advertising techniques of the poker rooms, some companies keep giving players the opportunity to open a Blackjack game or Roulette game even in the online poker room window, which I personally define like a strange concept, but the truth is it works. Since the same company owns several types of games, they advertise services with less clients inside services with more clients. I believe most of this companies have more clients in poker rooms than in casino games, so they try to capture the attention of poker players so they go and try casino games and also spread the word about their experience, if good.

     
  6-Jan-12, 13:54   #20
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herlis 
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for me i'll say playing poker and casinos are just the same you both need to be lucky in order to win and what i do is i play both of them and i for me i pay more poker than the casinos when im winning at poker and vice versa. you need to be play more at something were your winning.and onething more if you dont trust what or where you play at then dont play it cause it will be harder for you to win when you cant trust.

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for me i'll say playing poker and casinos are just the same you both need to be lucky in order to win and what i do is i play both of them and i for me i pay more poker than the casinos when im winning at poker and vice versa. you need to be play more at something were your winning.and onething more if you dont trust what or where you play at then dont play it cause it will be harder for you to win when you cant trust.

     
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