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  8-Jan-12, 20:39   #1
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Serpang 
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Hi all, do you agree poker is mind game ( see : imsaworld.com ) . They still develop duplicate poker for reduce 'luck factor' and they create team game.

Anyone would help me create pooling ? I don't know how Sad

Hope admin support IMSA Big Smile Big Smile Suggest it to all poker site Smile Smile

     
  8-Jan-12, 20:42   #2
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magatt966 

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Just look at your post now: you should see "create poll" option beside to the usual edit, attachments, post reply, etc etc

     
  8-Jan-12, 20:44   #3
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Serpang 
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Thanks magat Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  8-Jan-12, 20:51   #4
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pochui 

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it depends where you play poker (online of of-line) online is more of gambling imo (not to mention the other joyful stuff) of-line i reckon it depends on your opponents- but you have more chances to read the players and spot such obvious weaknesses like your opponent being drunk Big Smile i would definitely go for of-line poker Smile

     
  8-Jan-12, 21:12   #5
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Greenmohave 

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I would have to agre with pochui for the most part . On-line play takes more time to develop a feel for your fellow players. This is really hard to do when playing smaller pools, but when playing live you can figure someone out relatively fast. No matter what it's gambling and since it does require one to use their thought process it's a mind game. Both!

Good Luck to All!

     
  9-Jan-12, 07:34   #6
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retribution 

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I can't count how many times I've given the whole "poker is not gambling" lecture to friends and family.

Seriously, while there is RISK in poker, it's nothing like gambling. Gambling implies that you are unable to control the outcome, and are leaving everything to chance. As well, typical gambling is done against "the house" where it's guaranteed in the long run, a player will lose.

Slot machines, for example by legislation, usually payout a maximum of 95% put into them. That by itself implies you have no chance of winning if you play long enough. You'll only get 95% of your money back.

Poker is 50% skill, and 50% balls. Anyone that says there's luck involved in poker, doesn't truly understand the game.

     
  9-Jan-12, 09:22   #7
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Chartoule 
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Not gambling is you want to be serious.

Gambling if you want a short fun and maybe some quick money (that you will spend gambling sooner or later).

Mind the game. Best mind the other players (HM i loooove you).

     
  9-Jan-12, 11:33   #8
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Fakiry 

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To gamble, a player must do a lot of mind work, it involves technique, so, with this, I intend to say that gambling is mind game and, in conclusion, poker is always both mind game and gambling.

     
  9-Jan-12, 14:20   #9
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arthur72 

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Its a real Brain ^%&^%* full of brain candy so yes a MIND game from this end of the spectrum.

     
  9-Jan-12, 15:13   #10
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DaCapo71 
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Mind game is really good, but it works only longterm. What can you do with the best mind game, i f your donkey opponent hits all. The poker schools says, you win longterm if you play with the mind game. I´m waiting since 4 years for that. Really longterm Aww crap!

     
  9-Jan-12, 15:29   #11
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MarcWinz 

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Hi Serpang.

In my opinion Poker is both. Dependant on your skill level depends how much of it is gambling. I think a good poker player relies on gambling 5% of the time, the rest being skill and determination. For those who think there is no gambling involved, they are getting it wrong - surely they semi-bluff sometimes - if not they will never be very successful.

Anyway that's my thoughts and no doubt someone will respond and disagree with me.

Gl to you all and I hope you don't need too much of it.

Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  9-Jan-12, 19:35   #12
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djtopato 
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Hmmm Poker mind game....more psihology then mind game.Online poker is like psihology with close eye you see the chips but you cant see the player. After all i think defenetly POKER is ADDICTION Confused

     
  10-Jan-12, 09:12   #13
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retribution 

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There definately is a psychological aspect to it, in that you have to be able to mess with your opponents, and keep them guessing. Your typical low level donk isn't capable of thinking beyond level one of thinking, ie they play according to their hand strength, and don't take into consideration or recognize any tendencies you may have. Really, unless you start playing against people who think beyond that level, there's not much point in trying to play "those mind games".

     
  10-Jan-12, 14:55   #14
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Serpang 
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I hope IMSA ( International Mind Sport Association ) success create duplicate poker soon ! so 'gambling and luck ' factor can be reduce until minimum or lost. And we no need upset , frustrating cause lost to donk play !

Thanks all for your post. It's good comment. Personally I agree with MarcWinz.

Good Luck All

     
  10-Jan-12, 15:40   #15
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djtopato 
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I send message to International Olimpique Comitee after Phil Ivey interview when he called Poker a sport.I sugest to put Texas like olimpic displine...after 2 days i recive mesage Tongueoker its not sport its gambling....i resend message that i play online freeroll and describe what is freeroll...after 1 day i recive another message: we will observe your email and send to our executives to see is that posible...Who now maybe Poker is A Sport Blink

     
  10-Jan-12, 17:50   #16
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cuirtom 

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i think both,but depends from what you play,howmany buyins you have,where you play etc...on a final table i think is more mind,but when you have just 100$ and siton 0.50/1$ table depends from luck yoour winnings...

     
  11-Jan-12, 06:54   #17
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grahamy27 
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it is definitely both.anyone who says it isnt gambling clearly doesnt understand the meaning of gambling..

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes" Blink on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Typically, the outcome of the wager is evident within a short period.

The term gaming[1] in this context typically refers to instances in which the activity has been specifically permitted by law. The two words are not mutually exclusive; i.e., a “gaming” company offers (legal) “gambling” activities to the public[2] and may be regulated by one of many gaming control boards, for example, the Nevada Gaming Control Board. However, this distinction is not universally observed in the English-speaking world. For instance, in the UK, the regulator of gambling activities is called the Gambling Commission (not the Gaming Commission).[3] Also, the word gaming is frequently used to describe activities that do not involve wagering, especially online


but within poker it is a mind game as well as you use a lot of mathmatical statistics to improve/play your hand

     
  11-Jan-12, 09:30   #18
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pokershark74 

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itsw fcking gambling mates like you can play as good as you want but when your ace ace comes up against that two pair sixes and threes there aint nothing you can do pure gambling

     
  11-Jan-12, 16:59   #19
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Calmplay 

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It's indeed both, it can't be only gambling as if not there would not been millions and millions of poker players in this fking world... Big Smile and indeed I really like it... that's it Cool

     
  11-Jan-12, 23:00   #20
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TheMachineQC 

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Of course it's both, how could poker not be a mind game? I've never seen a player who doesn't use his brain win big. It's possible of course but then when you get lucky taking too many risks, you either work on your game or lose all the profit you've just made by getting lucky...

     
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