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  19-Jan-12, 05:46   #1
what would you do in this hand situation?? 0 
grahamy27 
Joined: Dec '11
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playin $200 freeroll on hero

everyone after BB folds around to me blinds are 50/100 me and the button are the 2 big stacks at the table

i look down at KK so i raise to 600

button behind me raises to 1500

SB - BB fold i go allin for 4188

button shows AA

flop comes 5 9 10 9 8

he had both my suits covered for flush as well,which almost hit.

did i play this right?

what way would you have played it?

needless to say i busted out 2360/4821 after playing a pretty tight game Confused Confused

     
  19-Jan-12, 06:12   #2
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shokaku 

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This was just a nasty setup. KK vs AA, and the rockets for the player at the button. I wouldn't have played it in a different way.

     
  19-Jan-12, 06:27   #3
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SuperNoob 

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you played it right just unlucky to bump into AA

     
  19-Jan-12, 06:47   #4
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Serpang 
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I think variance is just call when he raise to 1500 ( fold when A show on flop and he big bet ). In fact ( no A on flop ) is same result Sad Sad . No better solution, I think.

     
  19-Jan-12, 07:22   #5
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grahamy27 
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just bad luck then?

with his reraise i thought for a minute but thought it was just him raisin off the button to steal.

well thankfully others would have played it the same Big Smile


     
  19-Jan-12, 07:24   #6
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hulkborges 

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is the kind of hand you end up falling apart, not even try to run from, I would have done the same, alias I think 90% of poker players I know would act the same way, the deck sometimes complicates our lives

     
  19-Jan-12, 08:24   #7
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retribution 

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You played it fine, although your initial raise was a bit high. Raising more than you usually do, when you have an exceptionally strong hand can be a pretty big tell that even the fishiest of fish can likely pick up on. Other than your initial raise being too big, the hand was standard. No way you're ever getting away from kings, unless you have some sort of super ESP.

Pretty brutal, running KK into AA, but it's so satisfying when you hit trips and crack them Smile

     
  19-Jan-12, 08:59   #8
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mahdrof 

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KK vs AA is always nasty, and some players will play small pockets all the way up to AK in the same way your opponent did on the button, so I would just chalk it up to a little bad luck. Even in that situation though, KK can still come out on top: yesterday all in preflop my AA vs KK he flops flush draw and I had to sweat out two cards before taking the pot. GL!

     
  19-Jan-12, 09:15   #9
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magatt966 

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I would have played the same way: even if the bet sizes would have been different the outcome would be the same.

No fold preflop allowed IMO

     
  19-Jan-12, 11:27   #10
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marqis 

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I would play it more or less the same way (I never bet 6 BB preflop however, should I be?), a little later in the tournament. This early on in a freeroll you get lots of people going all-in with lesser hands, and hitting.

Also, while KK gives you good odds preflop, it is by no means the nuts, and the button raising to 1500 indicates that he's just about pot committed; he probably won't fold. So you're risking your tournament life for a double up...

What hand did you put him on, when deciding to go all-in; AK, AQ, QQ, JJ, bluff?

     
  19-Jan-12, 11:42   #11
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Chartoule 
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Hi grahamy27!

The only thing i do different is the open raise. 6bb is too strong.
You had the always sad situation to find another player with AA vs your KK.
In any way, well played and more luck next time.


     
  19-Jan-12, 11:44   #12
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Za250Z 

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Well getting KK on a freeroll, i dont see any player folding this hand half way in the tourney, some times you will run into AA but thats poker, so dont worry and register for the next one Smile))

     
  19-Jan-12, 13:52   #13
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Mober 
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Since its a freeroll I wouldnt have played that different.
Just unlcky hitting on pocket Aces but that happens.
If it was a buy in tournament i would have go for a raise about 3-4 bb to see the flop first
but after that flop i would have been all in so a loss at the end again Smile
gl next time.

     
  19-Jan-12, 14:34   #14
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Greenmohave 

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Based on my position, lately I've been slow playing my AA, KK QQ, etc. until flop, but with the flop showing 5,9,10 I would have been Allin afte flop and ended up the same way. So I would have called to his 1500 then after flop like I said Allin to lose.

     
  19-Jan-12, 15:47   #15
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byng0 
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Exactly All In to Win

Smile Big Smile Cool

     
  19-Jan-12, 16:14   #16
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awood88 
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I completely agree with the general consensus. The initial raise was too much but there is no escaping the final outcome.

I tend to prefer to see a flop with KK these days. It's not that getting it all in preflop with KK is bad. You are very rarely behind and fearing a rogue ace when you have such great odds does seem over cautious. However I have found that people are so willing to get it in with ace high these days that you end up losing a well played tournament in a single bad beat more and more. And as people will so often call with ace high on a low board anyway I prefer to play less risky and see a flop.

Having said that, you have to raise preflop, a cheap flop is definitely a bad idea. In this hand a standard re-raise takes you to more than a third of your hand and you are committed. So no escape in this case.

     
  19-Jan-12, 19:10   #17
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sid859 
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i hate KK, never ever play em on the flop, thats just my theory, K's dont work for me.. Thumbs Up

     
  19-Jan-12, 20:00   #18
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retribution 

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Posted by sid859:
i hate KK, never ever play em on the flop, thats just my theory, K's dont work for me.. Thumbs Up


That's a very counter-productive attitude. By NOT playing KK, you're losing a lot of equity. KK is a top 3% hand, a range that can be played profitably from pretty much any, if not all, positions.

We're talking AA, KK, QQ, AK. Of course you want to be aggressive pre, raise to isolate. You don't want to let a lot of players see the flop, as these hands are the best heads up. The problem with most people is, they get too attached to these hands. Overplaying big hands likes these when theres 3 or more players seeing the flop is a guaranteed way to lose all your chips. Sure you're a big favorite pre, but if a bunch of people see the flop and the board has a lot of flush/straight potential, learn to lay it down.

     
  20-Jan-12, 00:26   #19
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cuirtom 

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all in preflop or raise 5XBB,and on a no ace on flop,all in...in any case:BUSTED!!! Aww crap!

     
  20-Jan-12, 09:01   #20
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grahamy27 
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hi everyone thanks for all the comments, so generally everyone would of played it the same
( apart from sid859 )

i forgot to mention the guy on BB was a bit of a donkk and played any hand. the reason for the 6xBB was to keep out any rag A by the button, SB, BB

thanks for all the comments Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

     
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