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  2-Feb-12, 10:33   #1
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jovicakralj 

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PokerStars Hand #74894777097: Tournament #510343971, $14.29+$0.71 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2012/02/02 9:53:29 CET [2012/02/02 3:53:29 ET]
Table '510343971 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: acivoj pfc (1370 in chips)
Seat 2: mr.fun20 (1630 in chips)
mr.fun20: posts small blind 10
acivoj pfc: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to acivoj pfc [Kd Ks]
mr.fun20: calls 10
acivoj pfc: raises 30 to 50
mr.fun20: calls 30
*** FLOP *** [4c Th 4d]
acivoj pfc: checks
mr.fun20: bets 360


Lets disscuss some poker! What do you think my opponent have here?

     
  2-Feb-12, 10:39   #2
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shoveandtilt 

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Wtf sick overbet :|

So he flats your raise pre then leads like 3x the pot after you check to him on the flop?? Any history on the guy, how is he playing etc?? Are we putting ranges or precise hand????

Precise hand i piiiiiiiiiiiiiick..... Ah4h? Such a weird bet though?? Again. wtf. Mmmm let me rethink, never has a4 there surely.

     
  2-Feb-12, 10:55   #3
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lukasb 

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I'll play this game lol. my pick...hmmm... 9 10 suited

     
  2-Feb-12, 11:02   #4
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jovicakralj 

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Posted by shoveandtilt:
Wtf sick overbet :|

Any history on the guy, how is he playing etc?? Are we putting ranges or precise hand????


I played just couple of hands before this one with him and he over raised checked flop like 3 out of 5 times. I wont tell my opinions about it. I wont you guys to try to figure it out. I will post secound part of HH later when all of you give your opinion.

Range or precise, doesnt matter...

     
  2-Feb-12, 11:19   #5
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Chartoule 
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I think he has nothing. He can limp/call hands like QJ, KJ, Ax and he try to steal the pot in flop with his overbet.
His open limp in SB is horrible, and i don´t like your little raise (with blinds 10/20. If blinds were 100/50+ i do the same).


     
  2-Feb-12, 12:16   #6
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SuperNoob 

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i think 10x, 88, 99, 77, 66, 55

     
  2-Feb-12, 12:30   #7
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aburila 
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i think he has 10 4 ... or atleast a 4 in hand
or maybe even 44

     
  2-Feb-12, 13:11   #8
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Calmplay 

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Posted by aburila:
i think he has 10 4 ... or atleast a 4 in hand
or maybe even 44


Noway this guy was holding 44 lol, to be honest I don't know what he's holding but all I can say is that the pocket kings there is indeed the best hand imo so I voted all in... Cool maybe u should give us some clues...

     
  2-Feb-12, 14:47   #9
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marqis 

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If I have no information on this guy I'd be cautious and just fold. I'd have to assume he has a set, or even a full house.

If on the other hand, I've seen this player making lots of these oversize bets; then I would raise or push.

He has a bigger stack, so if you don't have any information, and he legitimately has a better hand, you are out. If you fold however, it has only cost you 50 chips (and a really nice starting hand ofcourse).

If you folded, you can watch this guy for a few hands, to determine if he really is as loose as his play suggested, or that he had the nuts that time. If he tuns out to be very loose, you can just wait for a good hand to take him on/out.

Also if you would have raised more before the flop (which your KK hand warranted), you may not have had to deal with this type of situation...

Furthermore, why did you check the flop? Probably a value bet was in order? If it was a bluff, he may not have bluffed facing your continuation bet, an just fold...

Edited by marqis (Thursday, February 02, 2012 @ 14:52 GMT)


     
  2-Feb-12, 15:02   #10
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cluuuur 
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Balls. this guy has JJ, AT,KT,JT
He never has a 4 in his hand. i think he thinks his hand is stronger than it is because of your check.
I think you should have bet out first of all it would have given you a better idea of his holdings post flop. Im shoving, your ahead often enough for the move to be profitable.

     
  2-Feb-12, 15:23   #11
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marqis 

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Posted by cluuuur:
i think he thinks his hand is stronger than it is because of your check.


I agree with that, but not with the shoving part. In a cash game, maybe, but in a tournament it's just not worth it, to risk it against a bigger stack, if you have no information.

Fold, and you loose 50 chips. Shove and hopefully gain 360 chips, or he calls, in which case you are probably out (assuming he would only call when he has the set).

I think you just have to accept that by not betting (enough) you've gotten yourself in a difficult situation. 50 chips is a very cheap price to get yourself out of it (by just folding).

     
  2-Feb-12, 15:33   #12
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jovicakralj 

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Posted by marqis:
If I have no information on this guy I'd be cautious and just fold. I'd have to assume he has a set, or even a full house.

If on the other hand, I've seen this player making lots of these oversize bets; then I would raise or push.

He has a bigger stack, so if you don't have any information, and he legitimately has a better hand, you are out. If you fold however, it has only cost you 50 chips (and a really nice starting hand ofcourse).

If you folded, you can watch this guy for a few hands, to determine if he really is as loose as his play suggested, or that he had the nuts that time. If he tuns out to be very loose, you can just wait for a good hand to take him on/out.

Also if you would have raised more before the flop (which your KK hand warranted), you may not have had to deal with this type of situation...

Furthermore, why did you check the flop? Probably a value bet was in order? If it was a bluff, he may not have bluffed facing your continuation bet, an just fold...


Lot of statements and questions so I need to answer.
First I already wrote that he overbeted 3 out of 5 times when checked to him.

If I fold it cost me 460 chips. That is pot size. Its HU game so all chips that you didnt won-you lost.

Another time, wathed him, wrote it.

I play small ball poker. That means I keep my raises small preflop. I cant explain now why I play that style (explained few times in previous treads). I cant min raise all the time and then raise 100 with KK or AA. Every thinking opponent would know what I have.

I check flop because Im out of position and because I want him to over raise like he did couple times before. If he have 4 it really doesnt matter since I would call his reraise if I lead out.


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Posted by marqis:
I agree with that, but not with the shoving part. In a cash game, maybe, but in a tournament it's just not worth it, to risk it against a bigger stack, if you have no information.

Fold, and you loose 50 chips. Shove and hopefully gain 360 chips, or he calls, in which case you are probably out (assuming he would only call when he has the set).

I think you just have to accept that by not betting (enough) you've gotten yourself in a difficult situation. 50 chips is a very cheap price to get yourself out of it (by just folding).


You clearly dont understand diference between HU SNG and MTT. And I check here to get maximum value from over raising donk.

     
  2-Feb-12, 15:37   #13
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Fakiry 

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Flop 4T4, you kk, he made such a big bet… I have to put him with three of a kind (4 in the hand) or overpair. If he had nothing of this and was trying to rob you, which lots of players try to do, he also made it the best way, with an irrational bet (more than three times the pot) to scare you. You would always move nicely if you went all-in at this time: can’t believe he has AA and, and after all thins thinking exercise, with the time passing looking at the table, that would be my move, hoping not to see a 4 in his hand. So, to answer your question: he had JJ!! I would go all-in, he is always behind!

     
  2-Feb-12, 15:45   #14
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jovicakralj 

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Posted by cluuuur:
this guy has JJ, AT,KT,JT

Limp call with JJ AT???

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Posted by Fakiry:
So, to answer your question: he had JJ!!

Limp call with JJ???

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Posted by Fakiry:
he also made it the best way, with an irrational bet (more than three times the pot) to scare you.

Wrong. That bet will never scare me. Might scare someone who is less expirienced and who playes with scared money. So, my oppinion was at that time that he rearly have 4 in his hands since he would try to make me to call. So, I think he is or protecting 10 or bluffing here.

Edited by jovicakralj (Thursday, February 02, 2012 @ 15:50 GMT)


     
  2-Feb-12, 15:59   #15
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fathandsslei 

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i think he might of been holding j10 and i would push and put the decision on him i think its unlikely he has the 4, what did you do? what was he holding?

     
  2-Feb-12, 16:00   #16
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mahdrof 

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I thought about it for a while, and for some reason did not realize that it was HU, guess I need another coffee. I would trap him. Overaggressive dork is playing the board and you have monsters, call then check the turn and when he bet shove.

     
  2-Feb-12, 16:02   #17
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starbay 

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i think he's bluffing ,maybe middle suited connectors(hearts),probably put you on AJ+ and when you didnt hit ,trying to push you off the hand

     
  2-Feb-12, 16:12   #18
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shoveandtilt 

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8Ts>JTs or 77>88 / airballing two random paints.

     
  2-Feb-12, 16:20   #19
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jovicakralj 

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OK. Now things starts to be funny Blink Ill post my and his next decission:

acivoj pfc: raises 960 to 1320 and is all-in
mr.fun20: calls 960


What you think now Big Smile

     
  2-Feb-12, 16:33   #20
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mahdrof 

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Posted by jovicakralj:
OK. Now things starts to be funny Blink Ill post my and his next decission:

acivoj pfc: raises 960 to 1320 and is all-in
mr.fun20: calls 960


What you think now Big Smile


Judging from your post I would say bad beat which obviously means poker is rigged.

He has 5-6o and a 7 and an 8 comes out

or

AT and another T or an A comes out


speaking of TNA....

     
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