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i just read a post of some1 who had taken a real downturn. Couldn't win for anything. Well let me tell you this. There is no such thing as a random shuffle, whether it b a live dealer, computer, or shuffliing machine. I find that this is what is really making poker so much more difficult. There are so many players out there that are counting on the luck factor, and in a sense there not so wrong really. I don't like to play that way, and won't. I'll stick to sng's, and I use cash tables usually to fund my mtt entries. So if u find yourself on what seems to b an everending losing streak, like some of my fellow mobsters say, take a break. Unless your going 2 quit the gm totally, there is always going to be a tomorrow! Have fun all, and play safe.
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At poker stars very strange, sometimes show 'winning place' too much, what ever he bet will win 3 times in a row my 66 at BB ,everyone fold until SB and he call all in with 57os, he win several times before with crap card. I saw a lot about this. Not random system ? some of them know it !!!!!!!!! really suck
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Posted by Serpang: At poker stars very strange, sometimes show 'winning place' too much, what ever he bet will win 3 times in a row my 66 at BB ,everyone fold until SB and he call all in with 57os, he win several times before with crap card. I saw a lot about this. Not random system ? some of them know it !!!!!!!!! really suck
Not to be mean m8 but if ur calling all-ins holding 66 ur "bad beats" will continue to happen often
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Posted by lukasb:
Posted by Serpang: At poker stars very strange, sometimes show 'winning place' too much, what ever he bet will win 3 times in a row my 66 at BB ,everyone fold until SB and he call all in with 57os, he win several times before with crap card. I saw a lot about this. Not random system ? some of them know it !!!!!!!!! really suck
Not to be mean m8 but if ur calling all-ins holding 66 ur "bad beats" will continue to happen often
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well number generater can only be so random.problem is online they are tested.like party poker.they tested by a company in melbourn australia so me being an aussie,i find that comforting they not cheating,problem is noone actually goes to the poker company itself and check everything outside number generater.have they go fake accounts.are they playing against players.still alot tobe done.
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Posted by SuperNoob:
Posted by mindemoyamom: There is no such thing as a random shuffle, whether it b a live dealer, computer, or shuffliing machine.
first try and understand the word "random" please
Random - adj. 1. Having specific pattern, purpose, or objective: See Synonyms at rigged. 2. Mathematics & Statistics Of or relating to a type of circumstance or event that is described by a purpose distribution. 3. Of or relating to an event in which all outcomes are not equally likely.
Idiom: at random With a governing design, method, or purpose; systematically :n At random in a purpose fashion; following any prearranged order.
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here's something i had a while ago,had bad luck all day..;losing against people playing terrible hands.After a third game i said Fk it and just started playing like a dumbass myself,i just didn't give a damn about the last game cus it was a very small prize but guess what?...no matter what i played i didn't lose a single hand till final table.Random?well they don't call it jokerstars for nothing do they?I normally never play like that but it was almost like : the worst hand has the best chances and i played all the bad hands i had
Posted by Darth_bane: here's something i had a while ago,had bad luck all day..;losing against people playing terrible hands.After a third game i said Fk it and just started playing like a dumbass myself,i just didn't give a damn about the last game cus it was a very small prize but guess what?...no matter what i played i didn't lose a single hand till final table.Random?well they don't call it jokerstars for nothing do they?I normally never play like that but it was almost like : the worst hand has the best chances and i played all the bad hands i had
Well then your problem is solved and you can be rich and famous now. Feel free to continue to play like that since you anwered all the questions. <3 Whine threads, conspiracy theories etc... makes me happy for some reason. NAME OF THE GAME IS POKER not paper, rock, sizers...
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Posted by mindemoyamom: i just read a post of some1 who had taken a real downturn. Couldn't win for anything. Well let me tell you this. There is no such thing as a random shuffle, whether it b a live dealer, computer, or shuffliing machine. I find that this is what is really making poker so much more difficult. There are so many players out there that are counting on the luck factor, and in a sense there not so wrong really. I don't like to play that way, and won't. I'll stick to sng's, and I use cash tables usually to fund my mtt entries. So if u find yourself on what seems to b an everending losing streak, like some of my fellow mobsters say, take a break. Unless your going 2 quit the gm totally, there is always going to be a tomorrow! Have fun all, and play safe.
Greetings Minde. . . . What's your user name exactly? seriously though always good to see more Canadians around. Don't mind Super Noob he's just trying to school you for your own good. You'll learn lots here if you stick around. Sounds like you've already learned the best tip: Tilt avoidance.
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online the "random" shuffle imho doesn't exist- because there is no way to prove that it is truly random- even though the sites say their random number generators are fair and audited, i believe they are not so fair as the sites say- live, random shuffle does exist, but not always
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It's impossible to recreate a live shuffle virtually and even a live shuffle is not random because the cards have a start order, which determines their finishing order. So logically we can assume that online random is different from live random.
However, all this is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that the cards cannot be predicted by human or external computer, and that (prior to starting a hand) every player has an equal chance of receiving each card. This is what makes online poker "fair". The debate over whether RNG is actually random is like debating whether humans have a soul. Imo the results produced by RNG, the fact that everyone is equal going into an online hand, is far more important than scrutinising the science.
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Posted by awood88: It's impossible to recreate a live shuffle virtually and even a live shuffle is not random because the cards have a start order, which determines their finishing order. So logically we can assume that online random is different from live random.
However, all this is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that the cards cannot be predicted by human or external computer, and that (prior to starting a hand) every player has an equal chance of receiving each card. This is what makes online poker "fair". The debate over whether RNG is actually random is like debating whether humans have a soul. Imo the results produced by RNG, the fact that everyone is equal going into an online hand, is far more important than scrutinising the science.
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Posted by mindemoyamom: i just read a post of some1 who had taken a real downturn. Couldn't win for anything. Well let me tell you this. There is no such thing as a random shuffle, whether it b a live dealer, computer, or shuffliing machine. I find that this is what is really making poker so much more difficult. There are so many players out there that are counting on the luck factor, and in a sense there not so wrong really. I don't like to play that way, and won't. I'll stick to sng's, and I use cash tables usually to fund my mtt entries. So if u find yourself on what seems to b an everending losing streak, like some of my fellow mobsters say, take a break. Unless your going 2 quit the gm totally, there is always going to be a tomorrow! Have fun all, and play safe.
Good observation, and your probably right, about sitting out. Had astreak at PS where for 2 months I was given the right hole cards only to loose 95 % to garbage. Seams to have improved a little and looking forward to the Xmas BRM Freeroll today.
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There are 52! different ways a deck can be shuffeled so that means theres almost impossible that there are two similar decks in the world having the same order of cards (if they arent new of course LOL)
52! means 52 factorial, that you take 52 x 51 x 50 ... x 3 x 2 x1 .
my 66 at BB ,everyone fold until SB and he call all in with 57os, he win several times before with crap card. I saw a lot about this. Not random system ? some of them know it !!!!!!!!!
