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  9-Feb-12, 08:29   #1
what did I do 0 
rbdflyboy 

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What did I do in this spot? Why? Awhile ago we had a conversation about a hand that was very close to this one.

Blinds 250/500 NL Hold'em - 2012/02/07 - 02:12:17
Table 1
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players: 4
Seat 1: pokerjeff ( 1690 Chips )
Seat 3: cl21wb ( 1250 Chips )
Seat 4: ralph777 ( 610 Chips )
Seat 5: mehl ( 5450 Chips )
pokerjeff: posts small blind [ 250 Chips]
cl21wb: posts big blind [ 500 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to cl21wb [ Kc, 8h ]
ralph777 raises [ 610 Chips]
mehl folds
pokerjeff folds
cl21wb ?

     
  9-Feb-12, 09:31   #2
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retribution 

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Absolutely 100% calling. With only 110 chips to call, and everyone else folded, you're only risking an extra 110 chips to potentially win around 1100. You're getting 10 to 1, and can profitably call literally with any 2 cards. Even if you're up against AA, you're still a 20% favorite to win, so realistically you'd only need 5 to 1 to make it a 0 $EV call.

I think it MAY have been a borderline fold IF pokerjeff had shoved. Definitely a fold if Mehl had shoved.

     
  9-Feb-12, 09:33   #3
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magatt966 

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insta-call, you have to put 110 in the middle to join a pot of 1470.
nobrain call any two cards imho

     
  9-Feb-12, 10:08   #4
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rbdflyboy 

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We discussed this very hand awhile back and it stuck with me. The point I want to make here is not so much about the hand but more about the great analysis of hands we acquire here that leads to good solid play. I'll post the results later.
BTW I had to watch pokerjeff very carefully all game...he was pretty crafty at times and almost took me out once...he crippled me once and I came back.

Edited by rbdflyboy (Thursday, February 09, 2012 @ 10:19 GMT)


     
  9-Feb-12, 10:18   #5
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Chartoule 
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Hi rbdflyboy.

A very big instant-call.

If you fold you lose 500 chips
If you call you are in a hand with K8 vs a terrible wide range for only 110 more chips.

     
  9-Feb-12, 10:35   #6
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sadamman 

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theres absolutely no way anybody in the right mind would fold that even if they had 7-2 just unlucky for ralph if he gets sucked out on on a good hand.

     
  9-Feb-12, 11:42   #7
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xdomagojx 

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Posted by retribution:
Absolutely 100% calling. With only 110 chips to call, and everyone else folded, you're only risking an extra 110 chips to potentially win around 1100. You're getting 10 to 1, and can profitably call literally with any 2 cards. Even if you're up against AA, you're still a 20% favorite to win, so realistically you'd only need 5 to 1 to make it a 0 $EV call.

I think it MAY have been a borderline fold IF pokerjeff had shoved. Definitely a fold if Mehl had shoved.


This pretty much explains it all. Cheers. Blink

     
  9-Feb-12, 12:04   #8
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jovicakralj 

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Fold. You will probably hit full house and be beaten by stronger one Tongue I have some solid arguments here right? Big Smile

(ofc is call but I feel you wouldnt post it if something strange didnt happen Blink )

     
  9-Feb-12, 13:00   #9
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Fakiry 

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You went all-in. You are only 4 at the table, things are getting bad for 3 of the 4, ralph777 is the worst at the table, he will be next big blind which is almost his total stack, he had to go for it anyway. In the best chances, he had an Ace in the hand. You are next to him on the list and the next small blind will hurt you bad if you don’t win this. You have to call this guy because you are on a lose-lose situation (if you fold, loosing big blind is bad for your stack, if you call, losing the hand is also bad), so this means you have nothing to lose in going against him, and maybe you win.

     
  9-Feb-12, 15:08   #10
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DaCapo71 
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Easy call, off course. You have less than 2M and K high is really good enough to call. Your opponent go all in with a wide a handrange, but he has not really foldequity with his little stack.

     
  9-Feb-12, 15:11   #11
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Serpang 
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Posted by jovicakralj:
Fold. You will probably hit full house and be beaten by stronger one Tongue I have some solid arguments here right? Big Smile

(ofc is call but I feel you wouldnt post it if something strange didnt happen Blink )



Right, that's not poker analyze , that's joking. Because none will fold, right ? just wrong click make it fold Tongue Tongue , just post what happen next, lol Big Smile Big Smile

     
  9-Feb-12, 15:17   #12
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marqis 

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Folding means that you will still have 750 chips left exactly enough for the SB and BB next time. If you would have had one more chip, maybe there is some value in surviving the next BB, hoping for a higher finishing position?
There is no ante in this situation right?

I can't see any other answer than calling. Either way you are all-in on the next BB, unless you win the hand...

     
  9-Feb-12, 16:58   #13
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rbdflyboy 

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So here is how it all shook out. It was quite the game. Ralph and I were at each other the whole game. I was the odd man out in this one...they ganged up on me a couples of times with squeeze plays and the like.


Blinds 250/500 NL Hold'em - 2012/02/07 - 02:12:17
Table 1
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players: 4
Seat 1: pokerjeff ( 1690 Chips )
Seat 3: cl21wb ( 1250 Chips )
Seat 4: ralph777 ( 610 Chips )
Seat 5: mehl ( 5450 Chips )
pokerjeff: posts small blind [ 250 Chips]
cl21wb: posts big blind [ 500 Chips]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to cl21wb [ Kc, 8h ]
ralph777 raises [ 610 Chips]
mehl folds
pokerjeff folds
cl21wb calls [ 110 Chips]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 2h, 8c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
cl21wb shows [ Kc, 8h ] a pair of eights
ralph777 shows [ Ah, Qh ] high card ace
cl21wb wins 1470 chips from main pot with a pair of eights [ Kc, 8h, 8c, 7s, 5h ]

I'm sure Ralph still hates me. This was a DoN and on the bubble. Took a couple of secs b4 I called...only because I was really hoping I had two live cards which turned out I did...and one hit... his stack size was my fault already. I was short stacked a couple of hands earlier and Ralph attempted a blind steal after I limp in...the blinds folded...and I shoved coz I was the short stack...winning the flip. I'm sure Ralph still hates me.
Thanks everybody for the input.
Yes Jovi, the strange thing here is I actually won the hand.

     
  9-Feb-12, 17:42   #14
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BeMyATMplz 
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idk what is even to question here...this is a super easy snappy fistpump call in every form of poker Big Smile

     
  9-Feb-12, 19:13   #15
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Macubaas 
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As the other mobsters said above it's definately a call there, and since you posted the rest of hand it seems your decision was good indeed Smile

Make sure to post more hands in the future for second opinions Blink

     
  9-Feb-12, 19:27   #16
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TheMachineQC 

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Posted by BeMyATMplz:
idk what is even to question here...this is a super easy snappy fistpump call in every form of poker Big Smile

Agreed. No way anyone should fold there for 1/5 of a big blind Big Smile

     
  10-Feb-12, 17:03   #17
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mishu2009 
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off course you will call, just 110 chips too see the cards, although u will loose 500 chips ...i think think thats for all people oppinion, almost nothing to loose if u call, maybe wining, but with fold u only can loose

     
  10-Feb-12, 18:36   #18
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mahdrof 

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Use the force Luke...

     
  10-Feb-12, 18:47   #19
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SuperNoob 

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Posted by mahdrof:
Use the force Luke...

lmao Thumbs Up Worship

     
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