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  9-Feb-12, 22:55   #1
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mindemoyamom 
Joined: Jan '12
Location: Canada
Age: 55 (M)
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after playing for many yrs online, and on many different sites, i've noticed what seems to be a little bit of a pattern. I'm sure many others have noticed it also. The bb being special because it seems to win a little more often than it really should. And I mean a lotta times in raised pots, with garbage hands. ( 2/7, 4/j offsuit, 3/9, and so on), I think you get my point. Now, if i'm not mistaken, the bb is poor position, and should probably not be winning that often. I know when I'm playing live it doesn't win near as often as it does online. So, I'm curious what my fellow mobsters have to say on the subject. Look forward to hearing your input.

     
  9-Feb-12, 23:12   #2
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zeroster 

Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 51 (M)
Posts: 1372
There are more idiots online that are prepared to call a raise in the bb with junk cards. That's why you see it more often than in live play. In live play those cards would most probably never have even got to the flop.

     
  9-Feb-12, 23:23   #3
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awood88 
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 1881
Can't say I've noticed, but I tend not to play much online poker anymore. When I was playing both online and live regularly I can't say I ever noticed anything unusual online that couldn't be explained by different playing styles.

What I would say is that once you notice something, you tend to notice it even more. So whilst I'm not suggesting you are being paranoid or ignorant, I would point out that you are unconsciously looking for winning big blinds. You will tend to remember statistics so that they support your theory unless you actually record hands to prove one way or another. And you'd need a large sample.

If it is true, then one reason might be that there are many noobs online who feel that they have to over-protect their big blind. It is without doubt the position where you most get called by junk, even in live hands, because as the last to act it is the position where you are most likely to get priced in to see a flop with little fear of more preflop aggression.

You might also consider that you might play live with the same group of people regularly as I do. This group of people may play a certain way. They may be quite good players and therefore not inclined to over protect their blinds or they might be particularly tight players who don't like to gamble on high risk hands.

     
  10-Feb-12, 00:17   #4
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Arithmajik 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Canada
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 1568
I haven't noticed the trend either personally, but I agree with Zeroster's explanation. If it's true, it's probably a result of there being more bad players. Donl vs. Donk = anything can happen. That said, I hope you know better, lol.

     
  10-Feb-12, 06:31   #5
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retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 1490
Posted by mindemoyamom:
after playing for many yrs online, and on many different sites, i've noticed what seems to be a little bit of a pattern. I'm sure many others have noticed it also. The bb being special because it seems to win a little more often than it really should. And I mean a lotta times in raised pots, with garbage hands. ( 2/7, 4/j offsuit, 3/9, and so on), I think you get my point. Now, if i'm not mistaken, the bb is poor position, and should probably not be winning that often. I know when I'm playing live it doesn't win near as often as it does online. So, I'm curious what my fellow mobsters have to say on the subject. Look forward to hearing your input.


Yes, BB is the second worst position, aside from the SB obviously, as you'll be playing out of position quite often in these 2 spots. The problem with the blinds is, it's likely the easiest positions to play poorly for that reason, as well as because many people develop the whole "well it's only xx more to see a flop". People seem to have a bigger affinity to pots they've already put money into, and thus that's why you see so many SB/BB limp/calls. This is also why you'll see people who've already limped in other spots, such as EP/MP calling late raises.

It's easy to deal with people like this though, just adjust your range and play more suited/connector type hands that are stronger draw type hands that play well in multi-way pots. Raise your strong hangs pre, but also be ready to let go if you're facing a lot of sudden aggression.

     
  10-Feb-12, 06:59   #6
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angiebaby33 

Joined: Jun '09
Location: Canada
Age: 41 (F)
Posts: 13
LOL I love how people on this site and other forums love using words like "noobs" & "donks" as if you are superior in some way to other players.I suppose it makes you feel like a 'pro" lol...oh well...I don't think there are many "pro's" vying for free bankrolls ...

     
  10-Feb-12, 07:18   #7
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retribution 

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Posted by angiebaby33:
LOL I love how people on this site and other forums love using words like "noobs" & "donks" as if you are superior in some way to other players.I suppose it makes you feel like a 'pro" lol...oh well...I don't think there are many "pro's" vying for free bankrolls ...


Well, with all the scandals recently, what's wrong with taking a free bankroll, as opposed to depositing your own cash? I've managed to take the 2 free bankrolls I've gotten here, and built a modest bankroll out of it. I'm guessing you're just mad, because you busted another roll? I mean, you really can't condemn us for being here, when you yourself have an account.

And fyi, I do believe there ARE a few pro grinders on here.

     
  10-Feb-12, 08:37   #8
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8623
haven't done my math on this topic, but generally comparing online and live poker is not a worthy thing to try...they are just different animals- live you have the chance to read your opponent more, spot him on tilt, or spot him drunk- so you can take advantage of those situations and end up with fat greater returns...online you have all sorts of obstacles, and even your opponent plays totally drunk, you are not sure about this... Confused

     
  10-Feb-12, 09:37   #9
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zeroster 

Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted by angiebaby33:
LOL I love how people on this site and other forums love using words like "noobs" & "donks" as if you are superior in some way to other players.I suppose it makes you feel like a 'pro" lol...oh well...I don't think there are many "pro's" vying for free bankrolls ...


Don't you love insightful posts like this that just add so much to the topic at hand?
Thanks your contribution was invaluable. Blink

     
  10-Feb-12, 10:42   #10
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
Posted by mindemoyamom:
after playing for many yrs online, and on many different sites, i've noticed what seems to be a little bit of a pattern. I'm sure many others have noticed it also. The bb being special because it seems to win a little more often than it really should. And I mean a lotta times in raised pots, with garbage hands. ( 2/7, 4/j offsuit, 3/9, and so on), I think you get my point. Now, if i'm not mistaken, the bb is poor position, and should probably not be winning that often. I know when I'm playing live it doesn't win near as often as it does online. So, I'm curious what my fellow mobsters have to say on the subject. Look forward to hearing your input.


I am surprised that you would say this - because every time I ever hear anyone talking about their HEM / PTR stats they're always saying how they lose the most from the sb & bb. Never have I heard anyone say after going over their stats that the bb is the most profitable.. Never.

     
  10-Feb-12, 10:48   #11
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pokershark74 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Canada
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 831
I do agree that one of the many many.,..... many things that are a wee bit funny about online poker the big blind phenomenon is an interesting one. i do remember back to the days of playing one two in the casino in NS i would dread the BB as it was pretty much like giving away chips every time.

     
  10-Feb-12, 14:17   #12
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angiebaby33 

Joined: Jun '09
Location: Canada
Age: 41 (F)
Posts: 13
I think not! And I'm not mad at all just amused by some of the posters clearly unearned self-confidence as poker players.What happened to the old "Bad players are good for the game" ? Worship Not meaning to rile anyone up.... just is well....sort of funny..to me at least. Smile

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You guys are the same types who play in casinos with the hoodies and ipods and shades lol...sitting on your pimply rear-ends waiting for AA and AK and then get all mad when you get beaten by the only players who make the games/action possible.NEWS FLASH:You look and act like little boys and are pretty much considered clowns by everyone else. Tongue

Edited by angiebaby33 (Friday, February 10, 2012 @ 14:30 GMT)


     
  10-Feb-12, 15:00   #13
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awood88 
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 1881
Posted by angiebaby33:
I think not! And I'm not mad at all just amused by some of the posters clearly unearned self-confidence as poker players.What happened to the old "Bad players are good for the game" ? Worship Not meaning to rile anyone up.... just is well....sort of funny..to me at least. Smile

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You guys are the same types who play in casinos with the hoodies and ipods and shades lol...sitting on your pimply rear-ends waiting for AA and AK and then get all mad when you get beaten by the only players who make the games/action possible.NEWS FLASH:You look and act like little boys and are pretty much considered clowns by everyone else. Tongue


Just because we know that some players are bad does not mean that we think we are pros. There is a huge range of players between donks and pros and I think many here will admit that they are not the best players whilst confident enough to identify very bad play.

I don't know why you have convinced yourself that everyone who talks about poker is delusional. How on earth do you know that our self-confidence is "unearned"? Many brm members use this site for the forum, not the free money and you will have to take my word for it that some of them do know what they are talking about.

Regarding my use of the word noobs, which you picked up on. I use the term to mean newbies. Online there is a higher percentage of new players who don't tend to last very long. It's not that I am superior to them but that they are inexperienced. I do not confess to be a great player but I've made enough profit to be able to confidently say I know my arse from my elbow. Unlike you, who seems to know very little about online poker.

     
  10-Feb-12, 15:03   #14
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1631
Posted by angiebaby33:
LOL I love how people on this site and other forums love using words like "noobs" & "donks" as if you are superior in some way to other players.I suppose it makes you feel like a 'pro" lol...oh well...I don't think there are many "pro's" vying for free bankrolls ...


Although it may not be politically correct, to say so, it may be a fair point.

However i too thought many players might be overestimating their abilities (I'm pretty sure that I'm guilty of this myself, though I've never called anyone a noob or donk), but to be fair it seems pretty much evenly spread out; almost as much BRM members think they are worse than average, as that think they are better than average (compared to players with similar experience).

This is demonstrated in this recent poll I created:
http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=thread&id...

Have a look...

     
  10-Feb-12, 15:25   #15
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awood88 
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 1881
It would also be fair to say that terms like "donk" "fish" and "noob" are over-used in poker, especially at the tables, often aimed at perfectly acceptable play. But that does not mean that when used in a poker-forum, the user is automatically over-confident or incompetent. you can usually tell this from what else they are saying.

     
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