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  10-Feb-12, 19:32   #1
How certain are you of whos behind the poker site. 0 
diveyio 

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How many times have you had a pocket As or KA and you lost...by some1 with 7 2 or pocket 2s.
I bet alot. I gues we all have gone through a lot of reading on how we can increase our bank roll, following every single step of the book...using stupidity, strategy, bravery, and luck some times.
Well recently I have been with a friend, which is a regular player of poker (cazinos and not internet) and it happens to have this kind of conversation about poker web sites in general. It came to my attention through him of course that many sites especially one really...really famous using lets say a control game. Now you will tell me how can you prove it or chanses to bedone is impossible....but I would be interested in hear any ohter oppinions about it. Maybe some1 heard something the same. Diamond Heart Club Spade

Edited by diveyio (Friday, February 10, 2012 @ 19:35 GMT)


     
  10-Feb-12, 19:45   #2
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Cnpclaudio 

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Yeh, i tell the same How can Rusian guys call loser hands and they win almost time....

     
  10-Feb-12, 20:02   #3
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SuperNoob 

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Posted by diveyio:
It came to my attention through him of course that many sites especially one really...really famous using lets say a control game. Now you will tell me how can you prove it or chanses to bedone is impossible.

chances to beat one is impossible? Confused
regarding the proof, every time someone analyses big sample of hands the results come within normal limits. if you google you can find results of some of them
regarding site controlling the hands- not really feasible for them to do so without getting detected and not worth it especially at micro-stakes and freerolls where all these conspiracy theories originate.

and its your choice to believe what you want, but if you believe there is someone behind controlling the hands - best is to withdraw your money, quit online poker and play live Big Smile

     
  10-Feb-12, 20:29   #4
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diveyio 

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hey SN...I would go in all this trouble just to investigate these theories and as you are right usually are coming from freebies or micro. Personally I have my own theories which I keep for my self. And as a matter of speach Im not a cash player as I am a tourney person. However I only did post a thread to see peoples reaction. As far playing live I am trying to as much as possible...Thxs for the reply though... Diamond Heart Club Spade

     
  10-Feb-12, 23:43   #5
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jessthehuman 

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smells .. in fact, REEKS - of LNP to me

     
  11-Feb-12, 00:04   #6
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B1gfoot 

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Posted by diveyio:
How many times have you had a pocket 2s or 7 2 and you lost...by some1 with As or KA
I bet alot!. I guess we all have gone through a lot of reading on how we can increase our bank roll, following every single step of the book...using stupidity, LNP, blue, and classic one time.
Well recently I have been with a rigtard, which is a regular losing player of poker (cazinos and internet) and it happens to have this kind of conversation about poker web sites he loses on. It came to my attention through him of course that many sites especially one really...really famous using lets say the one he lost the most on. Now you will tell me how can you prove it or chanses to bedone is impossible(So don't try RIGTARD trap)....but I would be interested in ignore any ohter facts about it. Maybe some1 heard some mad b******t the same. Diamond Heart Club Spade

FYP

     
  11-Feb-12, 00:34   #7
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awood88 
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Posted by diveyio:
However I only did post a thread to see peoples reaction.


Haha. You can find a lot of reaction to such threads on this site. They come up from time to time and it ain't pretty Big Smile What usually results is a lot of flaming and what we like to call rigtard bashing.

Essentially it has been argued so many times exactly why there is no evidence for popular poker sites to be rigged, no logical reason for them to rig hands in anyone's favour, and why it is a lot more difficult than running an honest site, that when the conspiracists keep on refusing to accept logic, the whole argument gets rather nasty.

Don't be a rigtard. It's not big and it ain't clever Tongue

     
  11-Feb-12, 00:56   #8
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jessthehuman 

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Truly Awood88, well said!

     
  11-Feb-12, 01:37   #9
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mascona 

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PokerStars Code .....and everything is suddenly so clear. CHECK in Google. Thumbs Up

     
  11-Feb-12, 03:27   #10
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Greenmohave 

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Personally I don't give two poops. I play the game to have fun and work at my job to make a living. I win some and I lose some.
I just think there are so many hands played so fast when playing electronic poker that anything is possible. Have fun and Good Luck to All!

     
  11-Feb-12, 03:57   #11
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Arithmajik 

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Posted by diveyio:
How many times have you had a pocket As or KA and you lost...by some1 with 7 2 or pocket 2s.
I bet alot. I gues we all have gone through a lot of reading on how we can increase our bank roll, following every single step of the book...using stupidity, strategy, bravery, and luck some times.
Well recently I have been with a friend, which is a regular player of poker (cazinos and not internet) and it happens to have this kind of conversation about poker web sites in general. It came to my attention through him of course that many sites especially one really...really famous using lets say a control game. Now you will tell me how can you prove it or chanses to bedone is impossible....but I would be interested in hear any ohter oppinions about it. Maybe some1 heard something the same. Diamond Heart Club Spade



Greetings Diveyio, and welcome to the forum.

I'd say I've lost with pocket Aces to underdogs about as often as I've won with underdog's to pocket Aces. I personally trust the research others have done, and my own personal results.

Just to clarify guys, I think he's asking how he can do his own legitimacy tests and not outright calling poker rigged. Is that right Diveyio?

Good luck out there.

     
  11-Feb-12, 13:18   #12
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diveyio 

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Hi Arithmajik and thanks for your welcome. In a sence yes Iam asking that but also I never expected this kind or reaction from people. It was a simple question as in to what happening behind the scenes. I would be naive to think that everything is honkey dorry but also I would be even more naive thinking that all these sites have been base in fraud. After all if I had this kind of suspisions I wouldnt play poker on the net at all. Except that I consider to be one of the lucky ones which have increase their bankroll through these sites but also through BRM thanks to their no deposit offers.
As I have said it was nothing more than a post after a discussion with someone that play poker only on land and he gave me his view of the matter. Now what made him to say that I have no idea what os ever but as always a good place to start asking about poker is a forum about poker.
Maybe I am naive asking this question here but I though most we have the logic to think realistically not based on how people do on freerolls or micro as I have read above...
Diamond Heart Club Spade

     
  11-Feb-12, 19:25   #13
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Macubaas 
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Threads like this appear from time to time here on the bankrollmob forum but they all end the same...

If you ask me today pokerstars defintely has the best poker software and it gives you the best game security, i mean i don't think i've ever "meet" and poker bot on pokerstars.

     
  11-Feb-12, 19:57   #14
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pochui 

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good question- to be fair i think the answer could be more precise- it doesn't matter who is behind the poker site- what is important: how credible are they? we saw with full tilt that even the biggest poker rooms fail miserably- and to be fair this was the last straw for me- seeing such things happening to a top poker site shows that online poker is totally rigged...just play for fun, or small stakes if you still want to play cash Dollar Thumbs Down

     
  11-Feb-12, 21:17   #15
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diveyio 

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Hi pochui and thanks for replying. You are right on how credible sire are but once again on what i have discovered by people reaction to the threat is that oppionions are vary....
PS nice phot though Big Smile
Diamond Heart Club Spade

     
  11-Feb-12, 23:12   #16
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rbdflyboy 

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Poker sites are a business...when a business grows rapidly and expotentially without proper direction from management then the whole system implodes and falls in on itself. Sometimes they can come out of the rubble and rebuild...most often not. We have good examples of this occuring..
..no one site has gone down for software problems to date. The regulatory body ensures this,
otherwise they would be deemed complicit in the act and subject to scrutiny. So until something of this nature occurs and is made public it's game on.

     
  12-Feb-12, 01:07   #17
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jessthehuman 

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Posted by rbdflyboy:
..no one site has gone down for software problems to date. The regulatory body ensures this,
otherwise they would be deemed complicit in the act and subject to scrutiny. So until something of this nature occurs and is made public it's game on.


This I think is probably the next most key piece of evidence, beyond analysis of hand histories. The fact is, for all the BS that has gone on in the poker world, the software itself has never been found to be suspicious. Just shady people - as always.

     
  12-Feb-12, 20:44   #18
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Arithmajik 

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Posted by diveyio:
Hi Arithmajik and thanks for your welcome. In a sence yes Iam asking that but also I never expected this kind or reaction from people. It was a simple question as in to what happening behind the scenes. I would be naive to think that everything is honkey dorry but also I would be even more naive thinking that all these sites have been base in fraud. After all if I had this kind of suspisions I wouldnt play poker on the net at all. Except that I consider to be one of the lucky ones which have increase their bankroll through these sites but also through BRM thanks to their no deposit offers.
As I have said it was nothing more than a post after a discussion with someone that play poker only on land and he gave me his view of the matter. Now what made him to say that I have no idea what os ever but as always a good place to start asking about poker is a forum about poker.
Maybe I am naive asking this question here but I though most we have the logic to think realistically not based on how people do on freerolls or micro as I have read above...
Diamond Heart Club Spade


Hopefully pointing out independent hand analysis and regulatory agencies has helped you sleep better. The best thing to do is learn to play a good game and track your results, if you're happy with your profits, nothing else maters.

     
  13-Feb-12, 14:00   #19
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diveyio 

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Hi again
Yes you are right on that aspect. Im trying to learn as much as possible, and yes some times I win and some times I lose...part of the game. But either ways I dont lose my sleep over it...As I have mentioned from the moment it doesnt cost me anyting I dont see why should I worry. Of course if in the future become good at my game then yes probably have to give some more concideration...but at the moment....be safe...have a good games...and be well... Diamond Heart Club Spade

     
  13-Feb-12, 14:40   #20
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XxTRIGGERxX 

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Worship Well put & totally agreed awood88. Cool

But I will add that anyone who believes that online poker v.s Live poker are the same game, in this case I would have disagree. While the basics & fundamentals are identical, the approach & outcomes may vary. I call it the "drama" factor or effect !! After playing online poker as well as live poker for the past 10 years, the key thing noticed in my observation and experience, is that online poker is geared generally alot more toward "drama". I mean think about it, what would online poker be without sooo much DRAMA??
So, having said that, my point being is, simply that there is a difference between online poker and live play and that is why u have seen so many bad beats such as flush over flush, quads over quads,etc...I'm sure most would know what I am refering to. Blink Also to add to this observation is that the "drama effect" is usually alot more noticable on the weekends from my personal experience.
To end this note, this may explain the reason why so many players(donks& cry baby's Big Smile ) are feeling that online poker is rigged ?

RUBY007@Pokerstars Cool

oh...& not to mention that F'n RIVER(5th.st.)!!! Big Smile

Edited by XxTRIGGERxX (Monday, February 13, 2012 @ 15:38 GMT)


     
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