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  23-Feb-12, 18:19   #1
How would you play it? 0 

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There's 40,000 total chips in play. Your down to heads up play. You start the hand with roughly 19,000 in chips. Blinds are 200-400. You raised from the button to 1200, got called Kd9c. The flop comes 6hQd10d. Your opponent checks, you c-bet 1200, villain flat calls. 3d on the turn. Your opponent now fires out 2k. What would you do? Confused

  23-Feb-12, 18:24   #2

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I'd just flat call you've still got 15000 chips left if you get a blank on the turn, easily enough to play about with if you miss and fold the river.

  23-Feb-12, 18:29   #3

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Yes I agree in hind sight. This actually happened to me last night. Now 5 hands before, the villain turned a straight against my top top & took me down to less than 2k. He then called my all-in the next 4 hands in which I doubled-up each time, bringing me up to roughly 19k in chips. Now it was around 2am & late so I did end up shipping it unfortunately, After seeing the river & the way he had just been calling every raise with ATC trying to end the match bc he was tired IDK if I get off of the hand anyhow. The river was a Kc. If I flat call & he fires again on the river, I'm prolly shoving assumiing he called me w crap & hit it. Which he did. Villain had Q3off, he turned two pair.

I was putting him on a pair, but his wreckless aggression would've gotten himpaid on the river if I flatted bc its doubtfull I give him credit for the two pair. One pair I could definitely give him credit for, though I doubted he even held a queen in his hand.

  24-Feb-12, 13:16   #4
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Ouch but . When you lose and make the question " what can i do to provide this " you're on the good way .
Learn about situations thats is getting about in poker

  24-Feb-12, 14:21   #5

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I would fold with no regret. He may not have the flush he’s trying to tell you he has, but you also don’t have it. And if he has the Ad you are putting yourself in a tricky situation. I know you would love to see the Jd coming in the river, but there are few probabilities for that to happen. K9 is always tricky, even more with Q10 at the flop. If he has A10 or AQ or J10 he is way ahead of you! Inside straight draw is something to either check/fold or to rob lower stacks with crushing bets!

  24-Feb-12, 15:40   #6

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His bet of 2k on the river sure looks like a value bet to me.

Probably too small for it to be a bluff, depending on how he plays. I probably would have put him on top pair, so flat calling might be best. I think you can only play this type of hand well, if you've paid close attention to your opponent previously.

If you do not have enough information on him, a flat call here would at least tell you something more about him, while most of the time you would also win the pot with your KK.

When re-raising he would either fold or ship it probably, and you still wouldn't have known, much more. I don't like raising on the river, with just top pair, when in position.

Shipping it is also okay, but has the disadvantage that you only need to get it wrong once (like happened here). And with the blinds still this small, maybe not risk it, unless you feel your opponent is better than you HU...

  24-Feb-12, 16:30   #7
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I will just call. you have good flush and straight draw. I will not raise, he maybe have top pair, flush or play draw for flush. Three of kind is possible so no have good reason for raise. Fold ? in HU feeling is very important, without know history no idea, but is not good option , there are 5000 chip on pot.more invest 2K so 1:2.5 ...not bad since if you lost still have enough chips to fight again

  24-Feb-12, 19:54   #8
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Hard to tell assuming you don't have any history with that player(thats why HM is so useful on mtt)...

I think i would just call but again with no information on that player it's hard to tell Smile

  24-Feb-12, 21:47   #9

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2 bad that we dont know you're hand,but i would have call,coz in the times on the cash games whit 6 or 9 players ,what i played,and my personal expierience,most off the time,maybe in % i
didnt get the flush on turn or river,and whit HU,i wouldnt think that he hit a flush at that moment
like the most said it s also hard to tell,maybe if you edit you're hand in the thread,maybe u get
results whats make it easyer for you,but did you won the the tour?if so congratz to u

  25-Feb-12, 00:23   #10

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I'd have to flat call at the very least I want to see the riv since I'm already in with that many chips. I may as well gamble a bit to see what's there.

I do see you have already explained the hhand, but why not flat call. Or, did I misread your follow up comment. I'm taking it you went allin on him and that was it. Oh well, been there a few times. Win some / lose some (usually more losing). lol

  25-Feb-12, 08:45   #11
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Yeah I would fold I never get that lucky on the river

  25-Feb-12, 10:11   #12
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So, youre on a combined flush and staright draw (with nothing else winning at the moment) with Kd as your top card. Your opponent is first to act and makes a 2/3 call, giving you nearly 3 to 1 odds. You are relying on a d or any J (or a K to give you a K pair) coming out on the river. There are 4 J's left out of 46 card so you have these outs at 12 to 1. (Not good!) There are however 8 d's (a 9th including the Jd but dont count twice) left out of 46 cards you havent seen. 6 to 1. Theres also 2 K, Q, T, 9 (dont forget you already counted the d's for you flush outs) (I wouldnt worry about anything else) 6 to1. Put together you have potentially 20 outs max, just about 2.5 to 1. What does he have? Why did he check on the flop? And why did he only call you when you raised him pre flop. Does he have a high pair and value betting? Is he bluffing? Has the 3d really made his flush? Is he still drawing? The danger is he has the Ad....and perhaps another A. But we dont know that. You need to think about what else you know about him to help with the odds you are getting cos its pretty close, especially as you have nothing in your hand now for showdown (other than a high card) which may not beat him. He's given you a tough call giving you interesting odds. Bit of a tough decision. You have already used 2.4 k and have 16k left, this will go down to 14 if you call him. Thats nearly 1/4 of your stack gone. But if the Ad comes on the river you will make more money.. but thats a wild assumption................. What do you do if a low d comes on the river?
Knowledge of your opponent will help you decide what to do, and folding may be an easy option.
In the end, without any knowledge of the opponent, I would probably call him (based on the odds Im getting) and see what happens on the river and fold if i didnt hit a winning hand. Then again i may just fold and save my 2k for a better fight. But then you're heads up on the final table and its pretty even (till now) so call him.
My approach may not be perfect but its how I would look at it.
But then.....share with us what really happened!

  26-Feb-12, 00:23   #13

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We were at the end of a four handed tournament live. Everyone had started with 10k. About 5 hands prior to the fore-mentioned hand. I had the villain with about 60% of his stack in on the flop, I held top pair with a king kicker, villain had a gut shot straight draw with 63off, he hit it and I paid him off. Taking me down to 2k in chips. Now I can't remember the exact hands but he preceded to double me up four hands in a row with garbage hands. I moved in with a weak ace, a medium ace I think, and a small pair. Now having been on deaths door not 4 hands prior may have influenced my decisions in the hand. In the hand I mentioned before. I opened from the button with the Kd9c, he flat called me out of position with Qs3h again a garbage hand, just trying to force an end to the match. We got all the money in on the turn, When he turned his two pair & I picked up the diamonds to go with my flush draw. Now had I flat called him, instead of shoving, the river would've brought the Kc making me a pair of Kings. Just the way he had been playing the end of the match, if he fires the river I probably pay him off not giving him credit for two pair. I definitely did not think he was a better HU player, as a matter of fact I have trouble finding anyone willing to play me HU in a live setting. These guys all have a little bit of a fear of me. I spend a lot of time working on my game and its leaks. I appreciate all the feedback Mobsters. Hope this response clears up some of the questions about what hand I held & what hand the villain held.

Oh and the villain started HU play with a 2.5-1 chip advantage, I doubled through once to take the chip lead slightly, just before he called most of his stack with a gut shot, called, not raised. I think he was just tired & trying desperately to end the match. He thought he had it in the bag also when I was down to my last 2k, but I still fought back and almost made an amazing comeback.

  26-Feb-12, 05:16   #14

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I just called to see the last card, despite being a difficult decision to move his hand showed that he had was strong, but I could not so easy to fold, would see the last card for sure

  26-Feb-12, 20:53   #15

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flat call for sure. Poker game it is so unpredictable so it is good chances Blink

  26-Feb-12, 22:42   #16
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I agree with Fakiry: an easy fold for me, for you were looking for a J. Why should I take this kind of risk ?

  27-Feb-12, 10:28   #17
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Hi guys!

Easy call, imo. You must call 2k in a pot around 7k waiting not only for any J, manuedo, any Xd is quite good too. We had enough stack here to call and fold in river if things doesn´t go right.

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