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I suspect you were against the type of moronic player that would have called an all-in bet on the flop and chased the flush regardless. It probably wouldn't matter how you played the hand.
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I have to agree with zeroster! I was playing in the booster also and got by three 7's beat out by a pair of 3's. Player hit fullhouse, but betting nearly every hand. I wouldn't even of played the hand if it weren't for it being my blind. No one raised pre-flop so I have 7, and flop is 3,7, 7. Player beat me out with Ffullhouse. I never catch a break in those games. So I'm whining! Maybe next month!
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I have been in this situation so may times, like most most others, & I'd have to say that I know enough today that in that situation, I would have just flat called on the flop to see if 4rth was a diamond or not,suspicious of potential hands that could beat me(in this case biggest one being the apparent potential flush draw after the flop)as seat 8 was under the gun and originally just called your 3 1/2 x blind bet preflop(indicating that he is ,not necessarily weak, but definetly not strong). Also,You should and can count on in ANY "free"rolls there will most definetly be players who are more than willing to "donk" out. So many times, in FR's after a donkish-like hand, I've read in the chatbox ," it's a FREEroll !!" Even though you were the original aggressor, when he/she went all in, after you bet a lil more than half the pot(after flop), you may have reviewed a few key things, before calling such a huge bet that it would put your secure position(you had 150x BB at that point) in jeopardy..." do I have to call this?", "I don't have alot invested & it's not like I NEED his chips, at least not right now, I will wait for a better chance for more chips" PROTECT your stack
I would like to add more but who likes to read long long replies, lol
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Edited by XxTRIGGERxX (27 February 2012 @ 01:24 GMT)
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Only question here, how many players left to bubble. If lot, then i see mo problem in your hand, i couldn fold probably. But if lets say 50 players left and 40 get money, then probably fold. But thats just my opinion.
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Posted by pokkerimees: Only question here, how many players left to bubble. If lot, then i see mo problem in your hand, i couldn fold probably. But if lets say 50 players left and 40 get money, then probably fold. But thats just my opinion.
That's early tourney ( level 3 ). I think you didn't play wrong, but unlucky. Too hard fold with 2 pair. Just need to learn : with your stack ( 9000 ) at level 3 is have space to play safe. In fact your crazy opponent just play draw. Big chance he had pocket pair and hit tris on flop when he go all in, so is reasonable to fold. ( also some poker book say : many times ( or usually ) who go all in first is winner ) we have to pay attention of opponent's instinct. Your case is great example.
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Hi aburila.
Well played, i think. The only doubt is if we can fold two pair vs a draw (this reraise means a draw for me) with that kind of stack (150bb vs 100bb). Is the kind of hand we see often playing BSS cash.
In any way, i don´t fold doubles vs that kind of reraise.
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I guess it was at PartyPoker, because I know these $5000 Banroll Booster tourneys. And you played the hand correct I think. He did just a crazy donk move on a flush draw and went lucky with it.
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It would be easy to put him on a flush draw when reading him, but not with Q6, at least Ax suited. You can write he is a crazy guy on the notes about him. He is second in the tourney, he sees the ace at the flop and sees you betting and go after you and trusts everything on a draw? He didn’t even had the Ad, which means you cold also be playing for the same flush already with a pair of aces. This was a crazy play by maloularke, but things went well. You did right, although loosing.
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I'd play similarly or even equal, unfortunately you threw the hand against a madman, would fold right, still on the third level of blinds a lot of game ahead, ta certain that you had a strong hand, but left the adversary pro bingo, sometimes it is best to avoid such a situation to win in the end
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many things where said but he didn't rerais so AK or AQ out of the window mayby he was thinking you made a bluff and goes allin to let you fold, he could have A3 as well and iff he was so agressive on this flop he would rerais you with pocket 3 or better, iff there is one here on this forum with the mind to fold this hand he or she better stop playing poker!!!
I think you couldn't find a better way to get all youre chips in to the middle, i think and many it was a donk all-in for flushdraw you was favorite till the turn, what you do if he just called the flop? fold after a rerais? for me you just did the thing what almost every player has done make that call!
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Yes mate - you played it right. I think that this dummy would have called anything - so just put it down to one of those things - 95/100 you would have won and dummies like this would have lost. I know it won't seem like it now, but the more dummies there are around like this the better for all of us.
I think you played the hand very well you resisted the idea of checking like many players do when they are strong and you bet to give the draws poor odds to call how much do you know about odds? you were certainly ahead by a decent margin when the money went in, you can make notes on this player and be glad that they play this badly at the time of all in he had a 31% chance to win the pot which makes the all in a massive spew. You have two ways of dealing with the all in you can fold and wait for another spot knowing the hands and odds you are against and try and play properly for your money later or call knowing your ahead. I am calling 100% here though as I'm getting decent odds on a lot of chips in a tourney I think it is good to play a little risky unless you can afford not to and in freerolss every chip counts I don't mind bustting out early as I wiould preferto have either no stack or a bigger stack as the variance is huge in these massive fields. If its a coinflip and you don't have to then don't but I think your odds were good enough 70% plus to call here. Also so many players bet draws etc top pair no kicker hands aggressively you have to call in case you are even more ahead in my opinion.
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I have folded in situations exactly like this one many times. In fact, it's what enabled me to take 1st in a BRM Leaderboard FR@pokerstars a couple weeks back. Otherwise I wouldn't have had such an accomplishment. It is difficult to do, but after weighing my options, it's what made most sense in order for me to get to final table. Overall, I guess it depends alot on the tourney(freeroll v.s Buy-in) & individual. The most difficult folds are the ones that have gotten me to final tables.It is one significant lesson I have learnt in my 12 years of playing the game. There are always better spots in a tourney to acquire chips provided your not already up against it. But that's just my personal opinion from my own experience. I don't feel you played it wrong, especially it being a freeroll. I just shared how I feel I may have played it & gave some things to think about for future situations like the one shared in the original post. Especially if you've bought in with your own $$ & the pool is significant. Most buy-in tourneys don't really pay much until final table. And in order to get there, you may have to make some insane folds.
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Posted by XxTRIGGERxX: I have folded in situations exactly like this one many times. In fact, it's what enabled me to take 1st in a BRM Leaderboard FR@pokerstars a couple weeks back. Otherwise I wouldn't have had such an accomplishment. It is difficult to do, but after weighing my options, it's what made most sense in order for me to get to final table. Overall, I guess it depends alot on the tourney(freeroll v.s Buy-in) & individual. The most difficult folds are the ones that have gotten me to final tables.It is one significant lesson I have learnt in my 12 years of playing the game. There are always better spots in a tourney to acquire chips provided your not already up against it. But that's just my personal opinion from my own experience. I don't feel you played it wrong, especially it being a freeroll. I just shared how I feel I may have played it & gave some things to think about for future situations like the one shared in the original post. Especially if you've bought in with your own $$ & the pool is significant. Most buy-in tourneys don't really pay much until final table. And in order to get there, you may have to make some insane folds.
i concur lol. Also i dont mind reading long posts when i cant sleep Big folds are a nessesity in big games. The only times i shipped a tourny its because i let a hand like this go. Ive won hands like these too but luck was on my side to hold. lulz at lucky to hold.
Lets anylis the hand a bit differently though. Lets forget the guy has Q6d. So you have A10os on the SB and utg limps into the pot. you read him as weak compared to you and decide to bet 3.5x the bb. He flats you. Instant warning bells are going off in my head. Apart from what he could have he does have a large stack that threatens your security. Also because he limped utg and because you acted so late he can easily flat you with AA and trap knowing he acts last on flop. Even if he doesnt have AA so many other hands are favored over A10os. Lets continue tho. So he flats you and u may even worry he has AJ or AQ now but you flop top two and feel pretty good now no matter what he has. Then you bet 270 into a 450 chip pot. He dives. Personally im istantly thinking he had 33. Makes sense right? or maybe 1010. Both hand make alot of sense how it played out. Most importantly though you need to decide what to do now? Taking everything into consideration it comes down to one question, do you wanna rock? You only have 210+270 chips invested, 480 chips. This is the razors edge in poker.
Id argue in most cases A10 is a crap hand but in the situation presented its not so bad a hand. noone else in the pot and sure utg limped but that could mean anything in a booster game. I love the raise by you preflop. Im really big on feeler bets. Most people dont use their chips to guage their opponents and this leads to "cold deck" situations. AQ doesnt always have to pay off AK if you use ur chips to guage their strength preflop. Since he called ur bet i have to put him on some type of hand.
honestly i think i would call if the stakes were small buy in. I still have starting stack and its still early enough for me to play how i want if i lose. Sucks to make a hero call there and find out ur ahead and then lose tho.
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As played ok, i risk full stack with T2P in low/middle buyin MTT but with big buyins risk full stack with (only) T2P dont know... Well i do know, i dont risk full stack with that for sure.
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Seeing as to how this was the bankrollBooster, I would have called too. He could have had so many hands outside the draw (flush and straight draws) too.
Ax, a set, T3, total air, who knows? Usually Ax in these freerolls.
In a real money game, seeing as to how you already had a nice stack early on, I would have folded.
