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  5-Mar-12, 14:41   #1
Can't break this down swing. +1 
Killuminated 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: United States
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 178
I can't seem to rebound for the life of me off a massive down swing that started a year ago.
Any suggestions?


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  5-Mar-12, 14:44   #2
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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LMAO, guess this is not serious right? Big Smile
If not serious good joke +1 Thumbs Up

If serious then look at your scope lol.
I will explain: Your a losing player with 1 day upswing and NO sample lmao.

     
  5-Mar-12, 14:46   #3
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Killuminated 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: United States
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Posts: 178
Thanks it was serious, I've only been playing for two years. I'm kind of naive...Thanks.

     
  5-Mar-12, 14:47   #4
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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Posted by Killuminated:
Thanks it was serious, I've only been playing for two years. I'm kind of naive...Thanks.


Well, sorry if i am a little hard, but we have to judge the facts, sorry.

     
  5-Mar-12, 14:52   #5
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Killuminated 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: United States
Age: 34 (M)
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Could of done without the laughing, but i guess it is kinda amusing if you understand it the way you do. Thanks for your input.




     
  5-Mar-12, 14:53   #6
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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Ok, i will not laugh anymore......

     
  5-Mar-12, 14:56   #7
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Killuminated 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: United States
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 178
So what should I do,
I've graduated from 2 pokerschools,and i'm still a losing player. I don't want to quit playing poker Sad. I cashed in those tournaments back almost back to back. So i'm just doomed to be unprofitable?

     
  5-Mar-12, 15:01   #8
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 46 (M)
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Posted by Killuminated:
So what should I do,
I've graduated from 2 pokerschools,and i'm still a losing player. I don't want to quit playing poker Sad. I cashed in those tournaments back almost back to back. So i'm just doomed to be unprofitable?


You have to improve, which means for beginner poker players, learn position/range and icm, not more not less. In short:
Position: Hands get more value late.
Range: Judging your scope your playing way too many hands, start playing top10/15 agressiv and not passive.
ICM: (in short): When getting short, when to push/ when to fold.

Learning this (including bankrollmanagement), you change from losing too break even player soon.

Start at deepstack low buyin, so you have lots of time to wait for good hands.
Also try to grind this, which means 4/8 tables same time.


     
  5-Mar-12, 15:06   #9
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Killuminated 

Joined: Mar '11
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Age: 34 (M)
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Thank you doomdy,

I've got everything you mentioned there mastered, except BRM. I completely understand range, position and icm. I also understand brm, just not good at practicing it. I will make another deposit, and not play for more than 2% of my bankroll in any given game. I will update in a month. Thanks.

     
  5-Mar-12, 15:08   #10
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doomdy 

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No problem, goodluck Thumbs Up

     
  5-Mar-12, 16:14   #11
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sadamman 

Joined: Jan '12
Location: United Kingdom
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Can I just ask are you only playing MTTS? Because if so, that's probably why you've went a year without winning. Play a SNG or two or win a few hands in a cash game. That should get your confidence back.

     
  5-Mar-12, 19:21   #12
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DaCapo71 
Joined: Aug '10
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There are a lot of pokerschools in the inet like strategy etc. and there you can find a lot of education.
It is possible that you have some leaks in your game and then this is not only a downswing.

     
  5-Mar-12, 19:29   #13
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cambam247 

Joined: Oct '11
Location: Canada
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After years of playing & loosing ....after studying the game of poker Still loosing I quit drinking and became a much better player gl Big Smile

     
  5-Mar-12, 20:01   #14
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
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if you can't break the downswing at least break the pc, or brake something else- you see if you do go on with breaking something it will lift the curse you are on with your poker...think of things you can break- your friends head, windows of your local bookie, your new mobile... Worship

     
  5-Mar-12, 20:11   #15
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B1gfoot 

Joined: Mar '08
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Have you tried drinking, just a suggestion.

     
  5-Mar-12, 21:52   #16
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djtopato 
Joined: Dec '11
Location: Macedonia, The former Yugoslav Republic of
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First take a break.7-10 days no play at all.Probably you are very tired and losing your confidence. Then try to recover you memory with last 10 games.I bet you all lose on all in especially on river or turn.Try to make bankroll from scratch and be patient. GL

     
  5-Mar-12, 22:03   #17
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Killuminated 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: United States
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Doomdy,
I went to my holdem manager, and looked at the hands that busted me out all my mtt's, and most were all premium hands played OOP(SB-UTG+2). I played another mtt freeroll today over @ C@ke after realizing this and took the whole thing down.Thank bringing up position because thats exactly whats busting me out of my tourneys. I usually do really well to start with, and tend to get too wild mid tourney.

Posted by sadamman:
Can I just ask are you only playing MTTS? Because if so, that's probably why you've went a year without winning. Play a SNG or two or win a few hands in a cash game. That should get your confidence back.

I have been playing nothing but mtt's, that's my specialty. I will try to mix it up a bit though if that is gonna boost my confidence. I do recognize my confidence as part of the problem.


Thanks for all your positive support.

Some random responses,
I don't drink...I'm a Violent drunk

Breaking stuff is not an option, the law is nazi over here so i have to be a good lil citizen.

I've already graduated from full tilt poker acadamy, another I can't say because of forum rules.

Edited by Killuminated (Monday, March 05, 2012 @ 22:07 GMT)

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  5-Mar-12, 22:46   #18
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Fer8973 

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Maybe I am wrong, but I think you are a MTT player; If I am right, then try playing STT. It's less difficult to be a winner than playing MTT.

     
  5-Mar-12, 23:25   #19
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Greenmohave 

Joined: Jan '11
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Damn Killuminated, I've only been playing for a little over a year and of course I'm no big money player, mostly $1 to $5 SnG's and I just got off of my worse streak of losing which was about a week straight. I'm not very capable of giving advice, but what type of games do you play for the most part?
Maybe you should try some micro SnG's and read the thread that IslandJack wrote about "Playing Micro SnG's". I think if you try that for a stepping stone you'll gain your confidence back and at least place in the money 50% of the time. No it's not going to get you wealthy, but small steps to your goal if your planning to go all out someday. Hope this isn't to basic for you, but I believe in the methodology defined in that post or I'm just lucky. And, I know better then that! Good Luck!

     
  6-Mar-12, 09:15   #20
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tomboogy 

Joined: May '10
Location: Romania
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 147
I'm sure you know pot odds, implied odds and so on... since you say you studied. Analyze your game: if you play too tight, loosen up and viceversa. You have to quickly spot the fishes and try to get into pots with them.
2. I'm not sure how you're playing now..in the beginning of the tourney you should play real tight (or as comfortable as you feel like). You should look to set mine and double up. Play straightforward with the fishes at the microstakes..no fancy plays in the early blinds. Floating from time to time is ok.
3. As you have already been told: position is KING! Try never to play out of position unless you are sure you have an edge on the opponent. Also try to balance your range...and get volume (multitable so you don't get bored and start playing marginal hands).
4. Watch some micro-low stakes instructionals from the pros. There are plenty out there.
5. Learn ICM to know when to push/3bet shove or fold.
6. Check/raise - and for that matter check/minraise on the flop is kinda nuts from the fishies (2pairs, sets etc.). Microstakes regs will do that for info often, or with underpair ( pocket).
7. I see you use HEM...one mistake that I used to do was to rely to much on it...the only thing that you should be looking at is the VPIP, PFR...and even then not to much, because on a sample of about 40-50 hands on the guy it isn't very accurate. You can be card dead and people will think you're a nit or on a rush for 50 hands and people will think you're a maniac if you don't get a lot of showdowns..
8. When you have a big stack, rape the midstacks, avoid marginal situation with the other bigstacks and also try not to double the shorts.. Harrington wrote in his books something along these lines: If the short stack is about 1/10 of your stack you should pay him with any two to try and bust him out....I personally don't agree with that. Your goal is to accumulate chips not bust out other people (unless it's a KO obv)...so be careful if this is not a leak.
GL and hope to get some feedback about how you're running. And congrats for taking 1st there.

     
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