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  10-Mar-12, 17:16   #1
I'm so sick and tired of that RIGGED PokerStars magic river +1 
mascona 

Joined: Jun '08
Location: Poland
Age: 76 (M)
Posts: 541
You can say whatever you want....after my 100 days non-stop observation I'm 100 % sure now, that PokerStars tourney software is not "kosher" and gives a big stack incredible advantage, no matter of odds, mathematic or just a simple logic.
Big stack can play any 2 cards and it will break your monster paar, or set on flop . So many times I was hoping for some logic in game....now I just tested the other site - calling allins with nothing /as a big stack / and it's working in 90 % of hands. Software will help you every time, no matter what cards you hold.
Suddenly I'm getting flush with 1 card or some other incredible hand...and small stack opponent with monster can only watch and cry how they rape his skill ...and that's all to finish the tournament faster. Thumbs Down Thumbs Down Thumbs Down Thumbs Down Thumbs Down Thumbs Down Thumbs Down Thumbs Down Thumbs Down

     
  10-Mar-12, 17:51   #2
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SuperNoob 

Joined: May '09
Location: India
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if conclusions (especially involving such a large data) could be made based on observation only then why would so many people waste their time studying statistics? Confused Confused Confused

     
  10-Mar-12, 18:09   #3
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urmas1983 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Estonia
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 118
like this PokerStars Tournament # arm # 76962784369: 519904980, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit-Level I (10/20)-12/03/10 20: 02: 39 EET [12/03/10 13: 02: 39 ET]
Table ' 519904980 ' 9-max Seat 458 # 3 button
Seat 9: v. stonkus (1500 mängumärkides) is sitting out
Seat 2: urmas1983 (1330 mängumärkides)
Seat 3: joro todorov (1880 mängumärkides)
Seat 4: cokenol (4470 mängumärkides)
Seat 5: horka4 (1500 mängumärkides)
Seat 6: drvoja178 (1500 mängumärkides) is sitting out
Seat 7: 20 alina (1440 mängumärkides)
Seat 8: Griboedow (1440 mängumärkides)
Seat 9: igrok-v-ps (1440 mängumärkides)
cokenol: post to a small pimepanuse 10
horka4: post to a large pimepanuse 20
* * * * * * POCKET CARDS
Shared urmas1983 [7 c 5 c]
drvoja178: cancels
20: cancels alina
Griboedow: pays 20
igrok-v-ps: pays 20
v. stonkus: cancels
urmas1983: pays 20
joro todorov: pays 20
cokenol: pay 10
horka4: passib
*** FLOP *** [Ac 9 d 6 c]
cokenol: passib
horka4: passib
Griboedow: passib
igrok-v-ps: passib
urmas1983: passib
joro todorov: bets 20
cokenol: pays 20
horka4: pays 20
Griboedow: pays 20
igrok-v-ps: cancels
urmas1983: pays 20
*** TURN *** [Ac 9 d 6 c] [2 c]
cokenol: bets 100
horka4: cancels
Griboedow: pays 100
urmas1983: pays 100
joro: renounces todorov
*** RIVER *** [Ac 9 d 6 c 2 c] 2 of diamonds
cokenol: bets 260
Griboedow: will pay 260
urmas1983: raise 280 up to 540
cokenol: highlights in 1940 up to 2480
Griboedow: cancels
urmas1983: pay 650 and is all-in
Returned unpaid contribution (1290) cokenol
* * * * * * SHOWDOWN
cokenol: shows [6 h 2 h] (House, Deuces and kuued)
urmas1983: shows [7 c 5 c] (flush, ACE high)
cokenol Bank took 3160
4969. urmas1983 graduated from the tournament -time
*** SUMMARY ***
The entire Bank 3160 | Rake 0
Desk [Ac 9 d 6 c 2 c 2d]
Seat 9: v. stonkus withdrew before the flop (not participating)
Seat 2: urmas1983 revealed [7 c 5 c] and lost the suit, ACE high
Seat 3: joro todorov (button) chose not to Turn
Seat 4: cokenol (small pot) showed [6 h 2 h] and won (3160) House, Deuces and kuued
Seat 5: horka4 (a large pot) chose not to Turn
Seat 6: drvoja178, withdrew before the flop (not participating)
Seat 7: 20 alina withdrew before the flop (not participating)
Seat 8: Griboedow gave up River
Seat 9: igrok-v-ps gave up on the flop Angry

     
  10-Mar-12, 18:46   #4
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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Posts: 6197
Great proof imho Confused

     
  10-Mar-12, 19:00   #5
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mascona 

Joined: Jun '08
Location: Poland
Age: 76 (M)
Posts: 541
Urmas1983 you didn't bet the flop, than you didn't raise the turn.....what did you expect raising that river ? lol Confused

     
  10-Mar-12, 19:46   #6
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MicroMachina 

Joined: Aug '08
Location: Canada
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 657
dont play 75.

     
  10-Mar-12, 19:50   #7
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urmas1983 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Estonia
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 118
raise or not thats not the problem the problem is that the big stack alwais wins on river Confused

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I dont cry losing the hand but this thing realy happens too often

Edited by urmas1983 (Saturday, March 10, 2012 @ 19:56 GMT)


     
  10-Mar-12, 19:56   #8
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SuperNoob 

Joined: May '09
Location: India
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 4873
Posted by urmas1983:
raise or not thats not the problem the problem is that the big stack alwais wins on river Confused

simple solution
fold all hands against big stacks, never fold against shortstacks Blink

     
  10-Mar-12, 20:20   #9
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primitivo 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 59
It is strange a full house always does seems to beat a flush.

     
  10-Mar-12, 20:37   #10
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B1gfoot 

Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 6714
Posted by primitivo:
It is strange a full house always does seems to beat a flush.

Not a straight flush.
@mascona, simple solution, have the big stack.

     
  10-Mar-12, 21:08   #11
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primitivo 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 59
Posted by urmas1983:
like this PokerStars Tournament # arm # 76962784369: 519904980, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit-Level I (10/20)-12/03/10 20: 02: 39 EET [12/03/10 13: 02: 39 ET]
Table ' 519904980 ' 9-max Seat 458 # 3 button
Seat 9: v. stonkus (1500 m�ngum�rkides) is sitting out
Seat 2: urmas1983 (1330 m�ngum�rkides)
Seat 3: joro todorov (1880 m�ngum�rkides)
Seat 4: cokenol (4470 m�ngum�rkides)
Seat 5: horka4 (1500 m�ngum�rkides)
Seat 6: drvoja178 (1500 m�ngum�rkides) is sitting out
Seat 7: 20 alina (1440 m�ngum�rkides)
Seat 8: Griboedow (1440 m�ngum�rkides)
Seat 9: igrok-v-ps (1440 m�ngum�rkides)
cokenol: post to a small pimepanuse 10
horka4: post to a large pimepanuse 20
* * * * * * POCKET CARDS
Shared urmas1983 [7 c 5 c]
drvoja178: cancels
20: cancels alina
Griboedow: pays 20
igrok-v-ps: pays 20
v. stonkus: cancels
urmas1983: pays 20
joro todorov: pays 20
cokenol: pay 10
horka4: passib
*** FLOP *** [Ac 9 d 6 c]
cokenol: passib
horka4: passib
Griboedow: passib
igrok-v-ps: passib
urmas1983: passib
joro todorov: bets 20
cokenol: pays 20
horka4: pays 20
Griboedow: pays 20
igrok-v-ps: cancels
urmas1983: pays 20
*** TURN *** [Ac 9 d 6 c] [2 c]
cokenol: bets 100
horka4: cancels
Griboedow: pays 100
urmas1983: pays 100
joro: renounces todorov
*** RIVER *** [Ac 9 d 6 c 2 c] 2 of diamonds
cokenol: bets 260
Griboedow: will pay 260
urmas1983: raise 280 up to 540
cokenol: highlights in 1940 up to 2480
Griboedow: cancels
urmas1983: pay 650 and is all-in
Returned unpaid contribution (1290) cokenol
* * * * * * SHOWDOWN
cokenol: shows [6 h 2 h] (House, Deuces and kuued)
urmas1983: shows [7 c 5 c] (flush, ACE high)
cokenol Bank took 3160
4969. urmas1983 graduated from the tournament -time
*** SUMMARY ***
The entire Bank 3160 | Rake 0
Desk [Ac 9 d 6 c 2 c 2d]
Seat 9: v. stonkus withdrew before the flop (not participating)
Seat 2: urmas1983 revealed [7 c 5 c] and lost the suit, ACE high
Seat 3: joro todorov (button) chose not to Turn
Seat 4: cokenol (small pot) showed [6 h 2 h] and won (3160) House, Deuces and kuued
Seat 5: horka4 (a large pot) chose not to Turn
Seat 6: drvoja178, withdrew before the flop (not participating)
Seat 7: 20 alina withdrew before the flop (not participating)
Seat 8: Griboedow gave up River
Seat 9: igrok-v-ps gave up on the flop Angry


On this board you are being beaten by 55 possible starting hands that your opponent could hold yet you decide to raise a river bet and then call an all in? This isn't bad luck you got exactly what you deserved here.

     
  10-Mar-12, 21:21   #12
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Greenmohave 

Joined: Jan '11
Location: United States
Age: 52 (M)
Posts: 3361
I can't say a lot about what your saying, but I can tell you that I will observe what your saying very close. It's hard for me to believe that this actually happens and if there's any truth to it based on probablity it can be calculated. If the big stack calls more often then players with a small stack the buigstack probably does hit more often. You can't take the odds from one player with the big stack and compare that player to four players with smaller stacks because most of the time the bigstack will call more then any one of those four smaller stacks so the bigstack is likely to hit, even the river, more often.

Maybe I'm just confused and want to believe electronic poker is 100% legit, but i'll watch closer!

     
  10-Mar-12, 21:50   #13
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djtopato 
Joined: Dec '11
Location: Macedonia, The former Yugoslav Republic of
Age: 45 (M)
Posts: 107
Examples that you give us is so old fashion,cmon man Its about psihology.You remember when you busted some short staker or just remeber when you lose from high staker.Just minimize pot if you play No limit,just for avoid such things

     
  10-Mar-12, 22:30   #14
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10021
Take a break and change site.
Why you keep playing there if you have came up to that conclusion.
If for some reason i was convinced for something wouldnt still trying to prove it
otherwise. (speaking in general and not only for poker Smile )

     
  10-Mar-12, 22:35   #15
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mascona 

Joined: Jun '08
Location: Poland
Age: 76 (M)
Posts: 541
I explain it to you again what I mean, because it just happend again 2 min.ago:
2nd hour of tourney, 2 players in hand: I'm holding A4s at SB ,big stack raise 2 BB from middle position and I just flat call to see the flop.
Flop is: A 4 3 and I have 2 paars, big stack bets, I 3-bet him and he push all-in showing pathetic: KQ off / till now zero connection to the flop /.
Now come the highlights, some call it runner runner, I call it fukin' joke from garlic brothers from PokerStars.
TURN: J, RIVER: T.
And suddenly he has: AKQJT just like that, from air, pushing with nothing, investing half of his stack in horrible bluff ? Confused Confused Confused
If it happens sometimes , I have nothing against, but it's a standard situation at Stars, so it must be something about it......just watch the replay of final tables from Sunday Tourneys....same s**t all the time.

     
  10-Mar-12, 23:06   #16
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
blah blah blah Go have a cry you baby. Poker isn't for you, poker is a game for grown ups.

     
  10-Mar-12, 23:30   #17
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teddybears73 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 59 (M)
Posts: 3177
you know what i'm beginning to think you're right after tonights display so far. Disagree

     
  11-Mar-12, 00:48   #18
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Davoodoo 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: Finland
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 1612
If you have cracked the "rigg" set by pokerstars why do you spoil this gold mine by telling us ? And why dont you just exploit it yourself in all quietness over and over and over again ? Smile

     
  11-Mar-12, 00:54   #19
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damosk 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 52 (M)
Posts: 4857
POKER.....Its a game!!!!!!!!!
Larfing all the way to the bank....... to get some more money.
Play hard....have fun...win some.

     
  11-Mar-12, 01:44   #20
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zeroster 

Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 51 (M)
Posts: 1372
Ok, so now you've broken the code and worked out that it's rigged, why is it you're posting here rather than using this knowledge to your advantage to make some cash?

Put your money where your mouth is and prove it.

Or are you maybe talking s**t?

     
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