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Posted by Mober: My best one was Full Tilt.
@Supernoob Even if things are like you say how hard is to show the rabbit cam if the hand ends. They can shuffle and show it like they do in Microgaming where you can see the turn if the hand ends in flop and same way you can see the river if it ends in flop.
What? The computer program will get more tired if it shuffled once more just to show the rabbit?
the thing with continuous shuffle is - the source of entropy (required to generate random numbers) is input from players. so outcome will be different had the hand been played, so players thinking "i would have won if i had called" are just fooling themselves. on another forum, carbon support has also admitted this is just a way to taunt the players who folded the hand.
Posted by jessthehuman: PS I find the easiest to use, navigate and is definitely very functional. Follows a classic formula - simple, intuitive and functional. Always a winning combination.
Yep! Simplicity and classic lobby is good!
The only "negative" points about PS is the very large fields of players and huge list of tournaments that sometimes takes minutes to load. Huge MTTs are fun once in a while, but I also prefer MTTs with > than 500 players. It's nice to develop a story with other players, on PS I almost never see the same player twice...
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Yeah, I have played them all but Pokerstars in my opinion is the best. Software rarely has issues, all sorts of games going at all times of the day plus it is easy to use. 888 however, is still where I feel the most comfortable and play the most.
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Posted by SuperNoob: the thing with continuous shuffle is - the source of entropy (required to generate random numbers) is input from players. so outcome will be different had the hand been played, so players thinking "i would have won if i had called" are just fooling themselves. on another forum, carbon support has also admitted this is just a way to taunt the players who folded the hand.
I'm never sure which way I prefer - PKR uses a virtual deck.. So it plays out the same, no matter what the player actions are.
I guess preference ultimately comes down to a results orientated perspective anyhow - either way you can either validate your good folds, or regret your bads ones. But it only makes any difference in a results oriented context - in terms of good play, it has no bearing.
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Posted by Mober: How do you know which site uses what method?
I guess it is up to each site to disclose this.. I would read through all the licensing stuff for whatever site you're interested in, you might find it.. Although I'm not sure that this is something they would necessarily have to disclose in the T&C.
With PKR - staff their mentioned this on the forums; PKR has a very open community between staff and players - one of the reasons I like the site so much, compared to some rooms, it is relatively transparent.
Posted by SuperNoob: the thing with continuous shuffle is - the source of entropy (required to generate random numbers) is input from players. so outcome will be different had the hand been played, so players thinking "i would have won if i had called" are just fooling themselves. on another forum, carbon support has also admitted this is just a way to taunt the players who folded the hand.
I'm never sure which way I prefer - PKR uses a virtual deck.. So it plays out the same, no matter what the player actions are.
I guess preference ultimately comes down to a results orientated perspective anyhow - either way you can either validate your good folds, or regret your bads ones. But it only makes any difference in a results oriented context - in terms of good play, it has no bearing.
Ah, I didn't know that. Does it mean that for exemple on PS if I fold A-5o pre flop and flop comes A56, If I would've called the flop would've been different? Seems weird to me. I thought the deck was shuffled before the hand and that's it, just like IRL...
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Posted by TheMachineQC: Does it mean that for exemple on PS if I fold A-5o pre flop and flop comes A56, If I would've called the flop would've been different?
yes exactly.. For what it's worth though, one random number is as good as another - meaning a pre-shuffled deck that is then always dealt in the same order is no different to a random card being picked at the point it comes into play. IMO - it's just less of a head-f**k if it's a pre-shuffled deck.
Although - I don't know about Poker Stars specifically, or any other room for that matter, apart from PKR. But from what I do know - some rooms use the pre-shuffled method and others use the continuous shuffle.
RE: PKR keeping it real - that's literally the exact reason they use the deck method.. They attempt to replicate live play to a certain degree..
I just googled that and it seems pokerstars also has pre-shuffled deck I really prefer that, it's more traditional, and you really know what you would've hit on the board if you decided to play the hand differently.
Full tilt poker was continous shuffle. They seem to like taking shortcuts
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Posted by TheMachineQC: I just googled that and it seems pokerstars also has pre-shuffled deck I really prefer that, it's more traditional, and you really know what you would've hit on the board if you decided to play the hand differently.
Full tilt poker was continous shuffle. They seem to like taking shortcuts
Hahaha.
Yeah - I think I prefer the traditional style as well.. It's kind of nice to know, even if it's a results-orientated approach, whether your decision paid-off or not.
But certainly - it makes absolutely zero practical difference - since the value of the cards; hence the value of your choice, can only be known in retrospect in either case.
Hmm, it could make a small difference IMO! Not mathematicly of course, but mentally maybe!
I remember first times I played poker, I was getting a bit frustrated when I would've hit something huge with a bad hand. Of course any good player knows he has made the right fold with 8-3o so he doesn't care. It's part of the game to be able to know that you have made the right choice at the right time no matter what comes out, and not tilt/modify your play because of it.
Huge MTTs are fun once in a while, but I also prefer MTTs with > than 500 players. It's nice to develop a story with other players, on PS I almost never see the same player twice...
for keeping it real!
