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  19-Mar-12, 00:30   #1
Opponent profiling without HUD 0 
liberesto 
Joined: Dec '10
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 34
Okay so I have used tournament indicator before now (demos only though, a weekend or so). And what I remember was it hammered home the need to profile an opponent, get a handle on their range.

So before a player limps when short stacked into a 3-4 way pot. All check check check check etc, gets to the river and someone fires out and she folds.

Very next hand sweet spot for me...


PokerStars Hand #77426818269: Tournament #564011347, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2012/03/18 20:22:53 ET
Table '564011347 413' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: gilbo27 (36444 in chips)
Seat 2: A.mitkos (7995 in chips)
Seat 3: TeMEPyT (15654 in chips)
Seat 4: Tijoseva (10601 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: hellaswm (19150 in chips)
Seat 6: crusty64 (34174 in chips)
Seat 7: hory83kill (16961 in chips)
Seat 8: jr1343 (8277 in chips)
Seat 9: bundle711 (12735 in chips)
gilbo27: posts the ante 50
A.mitkos: posts the ante 50
TeMEPyT: posts the ante 50
Tijoseva: posts the ante 50
hellaswm: posts the ante 50
crusty64: posts the ante 50
hory83kill: posts the ante 50
jr1343: posts the ante 50
bundle711: posts the ante 50
crusty64: posts small blind 200
hory83kill: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bundle711 [Js Jd]
jr1343: calls 400
bundle711: raises 600 to 1000
gilbo27: folds
A.mitkos: folds
TeMEPyT: folds
Tijoseva: folds
hellaswm: folds
crusty64: folds
hory83kill: folds
jr1343: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [As Jc 2d]
jr1343: checks
bundle711: bets 1200
jr1343: calls 1200
*** TURN *** [As Jc 2d] 6 of hearts
jr1343: checks
bundle711: bets 3200
jr1343: calls 3200
*** RIVER *** [As Jc 2d 6h] Jack of hearts
jr1343: checks
bundle711: bets 7285 and is all-in
jr1343: calls 2827 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (4458) returned to bundle711
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bundle711: shows [Js Jd] (four of a kind, Jacks)
jr1343: shows [5h Ac] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
bundle711 collected 17504 from pot
jr1343 finished the tournament in 2011th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17504 | Rake 0
Board [As Jc 2d 6h Jh]
Seat 1: gilbo27 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: A.mitkos folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: TeMEPyT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Tijoseva folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: hellaswm (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: crusty64 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: hory83kill (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: jr1343 showed [5h Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 9: bundle711 showed [Js Jd] and won (17504) with four of a kind, Jacks

Try tournament indicator at least once. Do not look for immediate benefits this software has helped my game in the long run.


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She limps again, quads for me

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PokerStars Hand #77435535842: Tournament #564011347, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXIX (9000/18000) - 2012/03/19 2:15:05 ET
Table '564011347 442' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: parrish09 (963411 in chips)
Seat 2: bundle711 (427686 in chips)
Seat 3: Buggy551 (1038415 in chips)
Seat 4: grudzinskis (1478265 in chips)
Seat 5: huguinsky (1029040 in chips)
Seat 6: Jon_Allan (948747 in chips)
Seat 7: DIRDIRSC (386892 in chips)
Seat 8: littlefishnz (353705 in chips)
Seat 9: andycoch67 (332584 in chips)
parrish09: posts the ante 2250
bundle711: posts the ante 2250
Buggy551: posts the ante 2250
grudzinskis: posts the ante 2250
huguinsky: posts the ante 2250
Jon_Allan: posts the ante 2250
DIRDIRSC: posts the ante 2250
littlefishnz: posts the ante 2250
andycoch67: posts the ante 2250
bundle711: posts small blind 9000
Buggy551: posts big blind 18000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bundle711 [Tc Kc]
grudzinskis: folds
huguinsky: folds
Jon_Allan: raises 18000 to 36000
DIRDIRSC: folds
littlefishnz: folds
andycoch67: folds
parrish09: folds
bundle711: calls 27000
Buggy551: calls 18000
*** FLOP *** [8c 4c 2c]
bundle711: bets 84645
Buggy551: calls 84645
Jon_Allan: folds
*** TURN *** [8c 4c 2c] 6 of clubs
bundle711: checks
Buggy551: bets 18000
bundle711: calls 18000
*** RIVER *** [8c 4c 2c 6c] 3 of clubs
bundle711: checks
Buggy551: bets 108000
bundle711: folds
Uncalled bet (108000) returned to Buggy551
Buggy551 collected 333540 from pot
Buggy551: shows [Ac Qs] (a flush, Ace high)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 333540 | Rake 0
Board [8c 4c 2c 6c 3c]
Seat 1: parrish09 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bundle711 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 3: Buggy551 (big blind) collected (333540)
Seat 4: grudzinskis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: huguinsky folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Jon_Allan folded on the Flop
Seat 7: DIRDIRSC folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: littlefishnz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: andycoch67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


pleased with losing minimum I could after flopping second nut, the board ran pretty ugly to say the least .

The guy I folded to showed Aclubs Q spades

Edited by liberesto (Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 06:26 GMT)


     
  19-Mar-12, 10:57   #2
  0 
Chartoule 
Joined: May '09
Location: Spain
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 1261
Hi liberesto!

In 2nd hand i don´t understand your bet in turn. 1bb, what you want to do with that bet? If you think you are winning the hand you must bet much more strong. If you think you are behind, check/fold.

How many $$$ you win with that MTT?
Congrats for the win!

     
  19-Mar-12, 11:39   #3
  0 
Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4764
The first hand, with pocket JJ, was very bad played by jr1343. I would always distrust when seeing first bet, even more, with the bet on the turn. With such a bad kicker, I would never handle with a pair of aces, seeing it could be my last game.

     
  19-Mar-12, 22:06   #4
  0 
liberesto 
Joined: Dec '10
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 34
the second hand I didn't bet 1bb I called 1BB

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won $91 for 28th ish place

     
  19-Mar-12, 22:43   #5
  0 
Hiesy 
Joined: Jul '11
Location: Germany
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 106
Hi liberesto

I think the second Hand you didn´t make any mistake but your opponent was playing very bad he paid your Potsize bet on flop and was lucky to get his flush so it was unlucky for you.

P.S. Congrats for your winning

     
  20-Mar-12, 11:58   #6
  0 
Chartoule 
Joined: May '09
Location: Spain
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 1261
Posted by liberesto:
the second hand I didn't bet 1bb I called 1BB

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won $91 for 28th ish place


Uups, i do a little mistake. Well called the 1bb, of course (1bb WHO bets 1bb...). And nice win 91$. Next time you will be in the final table. Congrats again for your result in the Mtt.

     
  20-Mar-12, 18:57   #7
  0 
doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 6197
Dont need a hud to do this Evil

     
  20-Mar-12, 19:02   #8
  0 
Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
I have to agree with the last post actually, huds are more indicated for cash games actually than tournaments...

The dynamic of a tournament makes your stats about other players less precise compared to cash games.

     
  22-Mar-12, 21:15   #9
  0 
DaCapo71 
Joined: Aug '10
Location: Germany
Age: 45 (M)
Posts: 1712
You can make notes for every player and mark them with different colours. I think it was fair when nobody use a hud or any tracking software. All players have the same chance without tracking software.

     
  25-Mar-12, 13:45   #10
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djtopato 
Joined: Dec '11
Location: Macedonia, The former Yugoslav Republic of
Age: 45 (M)
Posts: 107
Tracking software is very good in tournaments but sometimes tilted players with good stats makes big mistakes and especialy worst players ever make a call with crap hand and hit flush with one cards.Just do the right thing in right moment

     
  31-Mar-12, 17:15   #11
  0 
noonlion 

Joined: Mar '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 1277
Whats the best HUD to get/ cheap but good?

Usually I just make notes on players and keep that in mind, but I've seen people on tutorial videos going through tables and using HUD to good effect.

     
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