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  8-Apr-12, 01:27   #1
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noonlion 

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I'm finding 2/4 to be a horrible limit for making money - I know I should be crushing these games but I'm getting callers all the way to the river and had some bad beats (like every one has).

All the strategy and fancy play's i know don't pay off.

So i should sit tighter right? And just wait for big hands, premium range and play them with the odd curve ball in there.

I used to be good at 10/25c games - i cant bank roll that just now so i'm gonna have to wait to see if i can grind up to that limit.

SnG's aren't going well at low limits either $2/2.50 - but mainly because I'm not in tournament mode yet.

I thought they'd be my main source of income to supplement cash games, but I'm finding cash games better.

     
  8-Apr-12, 05:45   #2
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doomdy 

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Posted by noonlion:

So i should sit tighter right? And just wait for big hands, premium range and play them with the odd curve ball in there.



If your ask this.... Then i allready know the answer why you losing money.....

     
  8-Apr-12, 06:03   #3
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Macubaas 
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As i said in a previous post i think it's a waste to play micros on any platforms, here i'm talking about under NL10 limits...

Even with a tight game i suggest you should play at least NL10, you can find fish on any limits Blink

     
  8-Apr-12, 06:59   #4
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shokaku 

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At the low limits the players make the mistake to call to loosely. So be sure to make them pay on the way to the showdown, and know how to fold a hand, when a dangerous card comes on the river.

     
  8-Apr-12, 07:32   #5
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Serpang 
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Posted by shokaku:
At the low limits the players make the mistake to call to loosely. So be sure to make them pay on the way to the showdown, and know how to fold a hand, when a dangerous card comes on the river.



Big Smile Big Smile Yeah IF they make mistake and unlucky. The problem make us on tilt is their LUCK.

Their mistake find monster !!!!.


when a dangerous card comes on the river.

They shove post turn. You have best hand until turn, what will you do ? call !!! and they hit their play draw. I agree if you want enjoy good poker is play at level up than $ 10 buy in. No need discuss ugly play for micro buy in, unuseful Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  8-Apr-12, 10:40   #6
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gymmy999 

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It's worthless even with premium hands on many poker romms thwy will often call with nothing till the river lol... If you want to play real poker at small stacks you should defenetly try Party poker never seen players like there at small stacks they play real poker and not gambling Worship i think 10 / 25 c is a great blibd with pretty good players...cash gamea are the most awesome games and the easiest way to get cash Dollar Dollar Dollar

     
  8-Apr-12, 14:55   #7
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Mober 
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Besides the fact with the micro limits that players tend to call and go all in with worst
hands that can happen to higher limits too for may reasons.
Ive seen for example in the past higher limit players playing the low limits to blow some steam
and its a game that you cant follow unless you have a big bankroll and dont care about it.
If you happen to be in such a game better stay away Smile

     
  8-Apr-12, 15:35   #8
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MicroMachina 

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maybe try limit?

     
  8-Apr-12, 15:40   #9
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pochui 

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Posted by noonlion:

I'm finding 2/4 to be a horrible limit for making money...


i'm finding that play money tables are a horrible place for making money Big Smile

not sure what to say to you- if you have a goal to play poker profitably, then do whatever it takes- move up/down/sideways the limit, change from cash to sit-n-go/ tournaments and vice versa, try other poker forms- i personally enjoy split pot games...just keep going at it and good luck Cool

     
  11-Apr-12, 22:24   #10
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noonlion 

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Posted by pochui:
Posted by noonlion:

I'm finding 2/4 to be a horrible limit for making money...


not sure what to say to you- if you have a goal to play poker profitably, then do whatever it takes- move up/down/sideways the limit, change from cash to sit-n-go/ tournaments and vice versa, try other poker forms- i personally enjoy split pot games...just keep going at it and good luck Cool


Moved to $5 SNG's and making progress - amazing the difference between $2/3 and 5...still tons of idiots though.

     
  12-Apr-12, 04:55   #11
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gymmy999 

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Indeed llower limits su** ...frankly i don't know ehy but they shouldn't!!my advice play tighter and more aggressive, wait for good hands so you can beat 'em up!! T certainly works that, fir me it did! If u like liw limits you should try party poker you will be impressed how tjey play there at all stack Blink Worship

     
  12-Apr-12, 06:00   #12
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shokaku 

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I guess this is a bad advice. If you think you are better than your opponents, you shouldn't tighten up, you should loosen up, to take advantage of their bad post flop play. You can't win money from them, if you are not in the hand.

     
  12-Apr-12, 15:48   #13
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noonlion 

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Posted by shokaku:
I guess this is a bad advice. If you think you are better than your opponents, you shouldn't tighten up, you should loosen up, to take advantage of their bad post flop play. You can't win money from them, if you are not in the hand.


Usually that's correct - but anything 2/4 or below is a bit of a crapshoot i've found so far.

The problem lies in that playing loose means usually I can outmaneuver on the flop but people just keep calling with draws regardless of the raise amount.

Like i'll bet out pre-flop, and some idiot will call my 3/4bets on every turn and hit ace on the river or a straight draw or flush. Tight play with the odd loose hand is best.

And when betting bet large.

     
  12-Apr-12, 16:32   #14
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GIOMi6 

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I have a huge problem concerning to be disciplined to bankroll management, I always play ring games above my bankroll, then I get zero bankroll left and then I must begin from scratch again. Angry

     
  12-Apr-12, 18:22   #15
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SuperNoob 

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Posted by noonlion:
Posted by shokaku:
I guess this is a bad advice. If you think you are better than your opponents, you shouldn't tighten up, you should loosen up, to take advantage of their bad post flop play. You can't win money from them, if you are not in the hand.


Usually that's correct - but anything 2/4 or below is a bit of a crapshoot i've found so far.

The problem lies in that playing loose means usually I can outmaneuver on the flop but people just keep calling with draws regardless of the raise amount.

Like i'll bet out pre-flop, and some idiot will call my 3/4bets on every turn and hit ace on the river or a straight draw or flush. Tight play with the odd loose hand is best.

And when betting bet large.

if u play tight, u'll be winning and variance will be low
if u play loose, u'll be winning more but variance will be more too

     
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