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  9-Apr-12, 14:23   #1
fozen account/cheating -2 
linz47 
Joined: Jul '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 46
how can anyone say what i did was cheating we agreed on our table that the short stack at the other table had to go so keeping everyone that was left at my table in the game seemed the sensible thing to do. i know its manipulating the game but cheating thats a strong word and no it was not a brm game.

     
  9-Apr-12, 14:32   #2
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dlkiv 

Joined: Aug '08
Location: Canada
Age: 51 (F)
Posts: 2558
Its cheating. Maybe your table was ok with all,( that is collusion), but what about the other people at the other table/tables ? You cheated them out of a finish.

Not strong words just truth. Angry What gives you or the rest of your table the right to say the short stack had to go? Are you now GOD of the poker world ? I have been short stack and come back. So have many on here.

I am verbal about this as I HATE cheaters .

And to start a 3rd thread speaks volumes .

     
  9-Apr-12, 14:34   #3
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 51 (M)
Posts: 6229
Did the small stack at the other table agree to be the bubble boy? No? Then you did cheat on him. Or better, you cheated on the whole table. Cause it had to be one of those players who would be out, if your table was softplaying.

     
  9-Apr-12, 15:02   #4
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SuperNoob 

Joined: May '09
Location: India
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 4873
Posted by linz47:
we agreed on our table that the short stack at the other table had to go

Worship Worship Worship

     
  9-Apr-12, 15:12   #5
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michaelwilk 
Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 228
fine line if you ask me I think it is something that gets done by the general consensus at a table of good players, or they use the short stack to their advantage lol....anyways I think if its done which it often is without words just through the common sense thing to beat out the little guy its ok.... but to start a chat based on eliminating an opponent that Sir I am sorry to say is flagrant cheating lol

     
  9-Apr-12, 15:30   #6
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10011
There is no argue about this that its a collusion in any form.
When you agree, even if you talk about it then its a collusion.
And we all know its not allowed.
I find it hard getting your account back.
If only ipoker do the same things would have been much better there.

     
  9-Apr-12, 15:34   #7
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michaelwilk 
Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
Age: 29 (M)
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i have in two separate tournaments on CelebPoker been confronted with final table being two people of a certain nationality (wont mention any names) (each time was a different nationality too so it wasnt just one group doing it)

Anyways final table they talk their language with included card names you could just almost tell what they were saying if that makes sense.. Anyways final table and the end up beating everyone out for top 2 finish as I said happened twice once i got 5th once i got 3rd it was horrible but amusing in some way that they werent being caught

     
  9-Apr-12, 15:41   #8
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10011
The thing is that some rooms either dont really care or dont take actions at all.
As i said above sng's tourneys in ipoker with 2 players same nationality talking their
cards in their language ( i was google translating).
I was taking screenshots one after another, provided them to support,
and after a week and some more emails to support why they didnt ban them( cause they
were still playing at the tables) i got no answer.

That was my end with sng's at ipoker.

     
  9-Apr-12, 15:43   #9
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Fearsinho 

Joined: Dec '08
Location: Portugal
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 15
It's normal wait for the short stack be eated by the blinds, and there is no need to talk about that with others, or even push a little in his blinds making him to fold. There are players that read this kind of actions and don't need to be expoused. Sincerely is not cheating to me what you do, but it can be called of that, don't discuss this too, so make of it a lesson in future rooms

     
  9-Apr-12, 15:48   #10
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 6197
Posted by linz47:
how can anyone say what i did was cheating we agreed on our table that the short stack at the other table had to go


LMAO, collusion to the max Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  9-Apr-12, 16:26   #11
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noonlion 

Joined: Mar '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 1277
Posted by linz47:
how can anyone say what i did was cheating we agreed on our table that the short stack at the other table had to go so keeping everyone that was left at my table in the game seemed the sensible thing to do. i know its manipulating the game but cheating thats a strong word and no it was not a brm game.


Way to go on the cheating

If you cant see it is then you're in denial - and I hope you never get back on your site.

As for foreigners talking in the chat box I'm also wary of this - and I'll never join a majority room with certain nationalities in it - like a cash game with 5 Spanish on a 6 team table= collusion.

It's good to know that poker is now not just a game of skill with a percentage of luck, it's also a game of collusion.

The funny thing is that you even went to lengths to eliminate the SS - the SS nearly always gets eaten up or knocked out early anyway.

Grade A fuckwit

     
  9-Apr-12, 20:32   #12
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retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 1490
Collusion plain and simple. If you check the TOS, you'll clearly see that your conduct was against their terms of service, thus you got the ban you completely 100% absolutely deserve.

Not only is this conduct against the TOS of pretty much ANY reputable poker site, it's completely against the rules in any poker format, and if you tried this in a live game, you're likely to get your head kicked in.

Who cares if it's a freeroll or a 10k buyin, your conduct is vile, and any protest you could come up with will fall upon deaf ears. Go find another room to play at, since it's likely Stars will ban you permanently. Hopefully you learned something from this.

*Edit* to the people who say that had you not said anything, and people had just done the same thing without actually vocalizing the plan, this is STILL considered collussion and the end result COULD be the same ban. Any means of collusion, be it by soft-playing, or verbally agreeing on it during, or before play, or even if it's just implied, is stilll collusion.

     
  9-Apr-12, 22:27   #13
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Greenmohave 

Joined: Jan '11
Location: United States
Age: 52 (M)
Posts: 3361
I don't even think I would of let anyone know of such intent. Some of my best games are come from behind games. It's just not good sportmanship to alleviate a player due to their status in any game. Now you've got some Mobsters on your bad side so I hope you can acknowledge what you did is wrong and gain their respect back.
I would propose to deposit the amount of the buyin to the individual that you did this to and ask the siter if you could send an apology to that player for poor sportsmanship. Don't know what else to suggest, but Good Luck!

     
  9-Apr-12, 22:57   #14
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MicroMachina 

Joined: Aug '08
Location: Canada
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 657
Posted by SuperNoob:
Posted by linz47:
we agreed on our table that the short stack at the other table had to go

Worship Worship Worship


+1 for epicness lol

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Posted by Greenmohave:
I don't even think I would of let anyone know of such intent. Some of my best games are come from behind games. It's just not good sportmanship to alleviate a player due to their status in any game. Now you've got some Mobsters on your bad side so I hope you can acknowledge what you did is wrong and gain their respect back.
I would propose to deposit the amount of the buyin to the individual that you did this to and ask the siter if you could send an apology to that player for poor sportsmanship. Don't know what else to suggest, but Good Luck!



yeah retribution has it right about soft-playing but id argue vile in this case is a bit harsh. Its obvious to me that the op just really doesnt appreciate how serious what they did was. Which is why i really like GM's post. I think he has a good idea and possibly the site may unban the account if the op makes a sincere attempt to show remorse.

I laughed so hard when i read the op's post tho tbh. So awesome. In my mind there are 9 accounts frozen and one guy who bubbled with a couple extra bucks now!

i feel bad for the op but learn the lesson and ull be a better player and person for it.

Edited by MicroMachina (Monday, April 09, 2012 @ 23:09 GMT)


     
  9-Apr-12, 23:19   #15
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IslandJack 

Joined: Oct '09
Location: Belgium
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 2847
Looks like you are committing "Multi-Posting" now. Big Smile
tsk tsk....

Admin already locked your second thread.
Going to have to stick to your original post unless you are a glutton for punishment.
...or just give up and realise you made a big mistake. Blink

Just curious... is that a permanent ban or a temporary one from PS?

     
  10-Apr-12, 00:32   #16
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
Three threads to brag about your cheating?

In your first thread you described fairly well what the actual situation was. I promise you that you were colluding/cheating and deserved to have your account frozen. Maybe they'll give you a 2nd chance - right now they've probably reviewing your other games, if you've ever done something like this before - then you have no hope.

     
  10-Apr-12, 01:34   #17
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Serpang 
Joined: Jan '10
Location: Indonesia
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 1476
In your second threat I thought you looking for better action if face same or similar situation, but now I am sure I think far away. It's about moral. Even you have to learn ethic from Primary School lesson. Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! World become worst and worst cos people like you linz47.

Why I said hard. I ever be victim from player like you !!! I get $ 2 ticket from freeroll 3000+ player, then I played s n g to won $ 11 ticket. I buy in to s n g looking for $109 ticket to MTT $ 100K GTD !!
From 17 players we down to 3 players, my stack is lowest, after tight game few hand chipleader down to second stack but just little different with my stack. Bad...he start talk with new chip leader and they start clamp me, worst is I sat at middle position, new chipleader - me - villain.Chip leader always raised my BB and fold when BB is villain !!! Yeah....finally I was out, didn't get best hand.
It's really hurt Aww crap! Aww crap! - Just best 2 win ticket.

     
  10-Apr-12, 10:26   #18
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8623
well i wouldn't call this cheating- since everything that was done- was done publicly- i assume that you all agreed via internal poker site chat, otherwise this may be called cheating, but if agreement was made internally within the software i think this is just a decision from majority to minimize risk- you didn't cheat on one person specifically- you just wanted the short stack to take action, but that's just my opinion Blink

     
  10-Apr-12, 10:49   #19
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simon6 
Joined: Dec '10
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 63 (M)
Posts: 206
You have been caught not many are and thats a shame because what u have done is put it in another players minds at that table to do the same as you lot were agreeing to do, take the short stack out, it could be said that maybe a couple of players at your table had never even thought to do this untill you speak of it, you are blatantly getting the advantage in a most unfair way it can be achieved, you are a disgraise to the poker table and dam right u are banned were I hope you have lost many dollars also by your account being frozen.

Cheating is rife within poker and they get away with it by already knowing what they will get up to if the occassion arises with out the need to talk at the table to achieve there dirty deeds.

In your statement you have already admitted to COLLUSSION, COLLUDING and CHEATING, BY BRINGING OTHERS INTO IT, I HOPE ALSO THAT THE OTHERS CONCERNED ARE ALSO BANNED AND HAVE LOST CASH.

So to add the fact that u feel that it is ok to bring others at your tabe by blatantly discussing how you are going to do it is I am soooooo angry at people like you I have to stop now before I get banned here through a no mark like you.





     
  10-Apr-12, 21:39   #20
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
Posted by pochui:
well i wouldn't call this cheating- since everything that was done- was done publicly- i assume that you all agreed via internal poker site chat, otherwise this may be called cheating, but if agreement was made internally within the software i think this is just a decision from majority to minimize risk- you didn't cheat on one person specifically- you just wanted the short stack to take action, but that's just my opinion Blink


lmao. what you described there is called collusion and is definitely cheating. This isn't up for debate you know - it's in the rules of the sites.

     
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