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  13-Apr-12, 17:06   #1
Bankroll gone - Lessons learnt + 0 
noonlion 

Joined: Mar '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 1277
$50 down the shitter... BUT I've learnt quite a lot, I hope anyway.

Playing $5.50 SNG's was good for a spell (i know about bank roll management - but the levels below that I found to be like a harbour - ultra-fishy) and I placed many times came 2nd and was in top 6 about 10 times.

However I soon discovered that it was becoming a donk fest - people shoving with KJ/KQoff for their entire stack, not even in the late stages.
Very little strategy at play - maybe I should have played 30 seat regular no turbo to eliminate the chancers - over time my skill would have won me money and made it profitable.

Also there were huge shoves with raggedy anne aces - in the end luck deserted me.

Also I have some doubts that there may be collusion on the site I was on - I could be wrong.

I know I shouldn't have been playing with a large chunk of my roll each time - STUPID - I now know that if I want to make a proper go of it I'm gonna need a $200 deposit and it's not worth playing until then.

I want to go on the $10+ SNG's.

For now it's BRM freerolls and learning before I deposit again.

"If you don't go broke, you can't fix it"

     
  13-Apr-12, 17:11   #2
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DaCapo71 
Joined: Aug '10
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But this is what a player want: fishy levels. And you can be a real good player, less than 10 buy ins are not enough. Sometimes you lost the games with the best hands x-times in a row.

     
  13-Apr-12, 17:17   #3
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Chartoule 
Joined: May '09
Location: Spain
Age: 41 (M)
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You don´t learn enough!!!!!

What are you doing playing 5+0.5 with only 50$ bank? And you want to play 10+1 with less than 20 buys?! Well, i´m sure you make happy the regular of the level. Think a little. Play only in micro levels and only when you are a winner in that levels play in highers. With 200$ you can begin with the 2$.

And i agree with DaCapo71, better play vs fish than vs good players!

     
  13-Apr-12, 17:28   #4
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noonlion 

Joined: Mar '12
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Posted by DaCapo71:
But this is what a player want: fishy levels. And you can be a real good player, less than 10 buy ins are not enough. Sometimes you lost the games with the best hands x-times in a row.


Of course you want fishy players - however when there's like 3/4 hands to an all-in often with 25 players left, even AA/KK/QQ/AK get beat up.


And to reiterate I know how stupid it was of me to play $5 with only 10 buyins.

     
  13-Apr-12, 17:53   #5
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GIOMi6 

Joined: Feb '10
Location: Suriname
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I have lost my bankroll several times, because of bad bankroll management and I play at limits above my bankroll, so the best advice I can give you is being disciplined concerning bankroll management. Blink

     
  13-Apr-12, 18:00   #6
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
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Freeroll play and SnG play is very different, so i guess you will not learn to much for your SnGs by doing the freerolls. If your room is full of gamblers, who push all the time, try DoNs.

     
  13-Apr-12, 18:05   #7
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
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If you were playing those sng's in an ipoker site dont find it hard about collusion.
since you are playing the sng's only never sit in the same table more than once with
the same pair of people.
In the past there were some fool enough people (same country) to tell the cards to each
other and play along (like we cant translate online these days Smile)

     
  13-Apr-12, 18:05   #8
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michaelwilk 
Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
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I always play over my bankroll management and I lose whole bankrolls on a bad day lol.... to this I say the biggest and most important feature of online poker is....... bankroll management lol follows those rules man it is the only way to play lots of poker with chances to up the bankroll and even losing doesnt kill you

     
  13-Apr-12, 18:06   #9
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arseneele 

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to hv quads in omaha do I need a set in my hole cards?

     
  13-Apr-12, 18:23   #10
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sadamman 

Joined: Jan '12
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Posted by arseneele:
to hv quads in omaha do I need a set in my hole cards?


No, you need a pair in your hole cards, and a pair on the board. You can only use 2 of your hole cards, but MUST use 2 also. Having a set in your hole cards is a pretty bad starting hand.

Edited by sadamman (Friday, April 13, 2012 @ 18:28 GMT)


     
  13-Apr-12, 18:29   #11
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
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In Omaha you can make quads with only 1 of your four cards and three on the table.
Its the only winning hand where you can use only one card.
All others require two of your four dealt cards

     
  13-Apr-12, 18:38   #12
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sadamman 

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Posted by Mober:
In Omaha you can make quads with only 1 of your four cards and three on the table.
Its the only winning hand where you can use only one card.
All others require two of your four dealt cards


Didn't know that but I don't play omaha online. The reason is, with 10 players, 4 cards each, thats 40 cards out before anything is even on the board, and there's only 12 cards left. The odds are against you with pretty much any hand.

     
  13-Apr-12, 21:42   #13
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occultum 
Joined: Aug '11
Location: Portugal
Age: 31 (M)
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When i started reading instant thinking was bad bankroll management but you said it in the 2nd phrase so ye you learnt the lesson!

What kind of sng were you playing btw? turbo?

If it was turbo tends to be alot more agressive in later stages .. tho in normal sng with lower buy in mostly you can make a very nice profit with a good passive strategy let the fish destroy themselves and wait for a premium hand .. sometimes you can even cash playing 1 or 2 hands :\

I find it boring personally but well.. its all about zeh moneys.

     
  13-Apr-12, 22:14   #14
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Fer8973 

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Probably is not a good idea....... start playing regular micros and prove you can win, then go to $5 and prove the same, then you can start playing $10.

Do you think Wolverhampton Wanderers could win UEFA Champions League if they do not prove first they can do it ok in the Premier League?

Big Smile

     
  14-Apr-12, 01:07   #15
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Greenmohave 

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Location: United States
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I focus on $1.10 and $2.20 SnG's , 27 to 45 players for the most part. The $5.50 SnG's are alright, but the payoiut isn't quite worth it to me since your BR can go down rapidly. Also, if your hanging out to the top 5 -7 at least you make the money.
Not saying anything negative about how you play your BR, but your money would have went a lot further and your chances of building your BR would have increased. Anyway, better luck next time and hope it did help you learn some worthy lessons.

     
  14-Apr-12, 01:12   #16
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michaelwilk 
Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
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Ya i think the most important thing is to wish you good luck in your future read on the forums there is always useful beats and strategies being discussed so you can become influenced in the right manners there you will be fine

     
  14-Apr-12, 06:48   #17
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
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Bankroll management is what get you in the end, for SNG you should have at least 50 buy ins and for tournamnets at least 100...

For cash you need less than that, i mean 25 buy ins should be okay and the variance is lower Blink

     
  14-Apr-12, 16:56   #18
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noonlion 

Joined: Mar '12
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted by Macubaas:
Bankroll management is what get you in the end, for SNG you should have at least 50 buy ins and for tournamnets at least 100...

For cash you need less than that, i mean 25 buy ins should be okay and the variance is lower Blink


Yeah that was my main problem i think, you nailed it there.

I was using (somewhat loosely) the 25/20 buyin rule for SNG's

     
  14-Apr-12, 16:59   #19
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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Posted by Mober:
In Omaha you can make quads with only 1 of your four cards and three on the table.
Its the only winning hand where you can use only one card.
All others require two of your four dealt cards


LMAO Big Smile

     
  14-Apr-12, 17:35   #20
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Arithmajik 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Canada
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 1568
Sorry to hear it Noonlion, it always sucks when your progress is delayed, like you said though you learned a lot and that's worth the $50. Seriously imagine what might've happened if you started with a thousand and made the same mistake?


     
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