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  21-Apr-12, 22:32   #1
Should I have pushed and called the all-in? 0 
noonlion 

Joined: Mar '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 32 (M)
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Just finished 5th on the Unibet mob freeroll - i'm pretty disgusted with myself, I was 30k behind the chip leader with 70k at one point and there were three stacks around 20-25k.

SB/BB - 1000/2000
Antes 150

I'm on the BB with 33k having lost half my stack to the chip leader holding AQoff

Player X is UTG and shoves for 20k.

I don't have much of a read on him, wasn't at any of his tables beforehand, seems pretty tight and isn't going to be bluffing at this spot.

Everyone else folds.

Right now I'm thinking it should have been an auto shove from me (worst case scenario) leaving me on 13k if a loser - possible to comeback but unlikely.

I thought for a while and figured he must have at least a pocket pair 88+

And if he had an Ace(s), only AA/AK beat me preflop.

I kind of rushed though and didn't consider my decision enough *i should note I'd been stealing alot of blinds up until this point so I probably had a LAG table image, although I wasn't doing it excessively..well maybe)

Anyway looking back it's like dam I should defo have called.

The only killer hands would have been AA/KK/AK - 3 hands.







Edited by noonlion (Saturday, April 21, 2012 @ 22:54 GMT)


     
  21-Apr-12, 23:18   #2
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retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 1490
Posted by noonlion:
Just finished 5th on the Unibet mob freeroll - i'm pretty disgusted with myself, I was 30k behind the chip leader with 70k at one point and there were three stacks around 20-25k.

SB/BB - 1000/2000
Antes 150

I'm on the BB with 33k having lost half my stack to the chip leader holding AQoff

Player X is UTG and shoves for 20k.

I don't have much of a read on him, wasn't at any of his tables beforehand, seems pretty tight and isn't going to be bluffing at this spot.

Everyone else folds.

Right now I'm thinking it should have been an auto shove from me (worst case scenario) leaving me on 13k if a loser - possible to comeback but unlikely.

I thought for a while and figured he must have at least a pocket pair 88+

And if he had an Ace(s), only AA/AK beat me preflop.

I kind of rushed though and didn't consider my decision enough *i should note I'd been stealing alot of blinds up until this point so I probably had a LAG table image, although I wasn't doing it excessively..well maybe)

Anyway looking back it's like dam I should defo have called.

The only killer hands would have been AA/KK/AK - 3 hands.



Yeah, it' s a snap call. He's 10BB deep, it's 5 handed and you've got AQ0. You're dominating the majority of his shoving range, and a flip against most of the rest. If he's a thinking player, he realises he's about to hit the blinds, which means he'll be down to 8.5BB unless he makes a move. He's shoving a pretty wide range here, so you can call somewhat light if it's folded to you.

Worst case he has you crushed (AA/KK/QQ) and you lose, you've still got around 13BB left and you'll get a free round before you're in the blinds.

Mild case you call, and he shows like 88, you're flipping.

Best case you catch him shoving complete air, you win and he's out. You bump up a pay scale AND you've got a huge stack to battle with.

It's all about figuring out your equity for calling vs folding, and deciding if the gain is worth the risk. You also have to take into consideration his stack size, as well as what he's going to be shoving with based on that size. As I said, since he's about to hit blinds, he's going to be opening up wider so he can survive the blinds.

Honestly if it was folded around to me, in this particular spot, my calling range is going to be 77+, KQ+ and A5+. This range will likely have a lot of his shoving range dominated.

     
  21-Apr-12, 23:25   #3
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Serpang 
Joined: Jan '10
Location: Indonesia
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 1477
Since HU condition, call all in is ok for me, not easy get AQ, even os. But actually hand history few board before always needed in case like this, to help if we no have feeling . I am very sure no best analysis for this case. Without feeling, fold is better you still have 15 BB, still have chance get better card.

     
  22-Apr-12, 05:58   #4
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 6197
These are no-brainers, instant call, dont be afraid to loose, great spot to be in better shape to win this or loose a lot of chips but deffo cant wait for a better spot which never comes in next 4min.

     
  22-Apr-12, 07:08   #5
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
I would have called, not anexpert on mtt or nlhe for that matter but i'm learning now...

Still in that period of the game people play much worse hands, AQ is definately premium Blink

     
  22-Apr-12, 11:04   #6
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B1gfoot 

Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 6714
At this point 4 almost equal stacks and a run away chip leader, every play here will be looking to get all the chips in regardless, pretty much pot committed after a 3x bet, easy call.
You need to play catch up or go bust trying to take down the 1st spot, otherwise just blind out, which is pretty weak play, yer might get a few extra $, but that's not how to play poker, FTW always.
77+ A10+ 89s+ IMO.

     
  22-Apr-12, 15:14   #7
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noonlion 

Joined: Mar '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 1277
Posted by doomdy:
These are no-brainers, instant call, dont be afraid to loose, great spot to be in better shape to win this or loose a lot of chips but deffo cant wait for a better spot which never comes in next 4min.


Yeah man. I knew as soon as I made the decision it was a really bad fold.

Won't happen again, and I learned it for free - not a bad result in the long run.

     
  22-Apr-12, 15:37   #8
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Arithmajik 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Canada
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 1568
Definitely, definitely, definitely a call. But that's ok, you live, you learn. Certainly it wasn't the best move but there's no guarantee's, he may have caught something and knocked you down, so don't sweat it. Did you end up with some money for this tourney?

     
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