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  31-May-12, 13:30   #1
Did I play this wrong? 0 
sadamman 

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PokerStars Hand #81275243585: Tournament #568282322, $0.09+$0.01 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2012/05/31 14:21:25 WET [2012/05/31 9:21:25 ET]
Table '568282322 17' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: dangaz (4800 in chips)
Seat 2: maks9379 (3140 in chips)
Seat 3: sadamman (9377 in chips)
Seat 4: shishper (9160 in chips)
Seat 6: blancan (1875 in chips)
Seat 7: cipita09 (10000 in chips)
Seat 8: Pogled (2590 in chips)
Seat 9: tigre1486 (3340 in chips)
Pogled: posts small blind 60
tigre1486: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sadamman [8c 8h]
dangaz: folds
maks9379: calls 120
sadamman: raises 430 to 550
shishper: calls 550
blancan: folds
cipita09: folds
Pogled: folds
tigre1486: folds
maks9379: calls 430
*** FLOP *** [3s 5c 4h]
maks9379: checks
sadamman: bets 8827 and is all-in
shishper: calls 8610 and is all-in
maks9379: folds
Uncalled bet (217) returned to sadamman


I think maybe should have raise more pre. Its the shove though, I think its pretty standard, but maybe I was too deep?

Will post the result after analyses.

     
  31-May-12, 13:54   #2
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doomdy 

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Raise is ok but i go for the limp/call small bet cos we are pretty deep.
3way family pot, i go trying to buy the pot but cant see me go allin here tbh.
In freeroll/low limit though i pumpfist yes true.
But in general i am still in phase tourney ''no set no bet'' though i can try to buy this pot 1 time.

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Imho fold preflop is also ok.
Also raise preflop is ok.
Also limp/call small bet is ok.
All 3 are EV+ if we know how to play it postflop imo.

Edited by doomdy (Thursday, May 31, 2012 @ 14:01 GMT)


     
  31-May-12, 14:03   #3
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sadamman 

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Maybe should have just bet 1000 or something, but still I think even if he then shoved, I don't think I could pull out a fold. The shove was probably a bit extreme.

I do actually fold it pre flop sometimes. Disagree

     
  31-May-12, 14:31   #4
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uhhcallmi 

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Don't like the all inn on the flop...mostly u get punished for such action...especialy with minimum info
you got on your opponents hand.

probably you lost that hand...if u won it ,it was luck...on the long run it's a terrible play ..i think.

a pair is a pair...33 or 88 or 10-10 i don't see much diff when u walk uppon hands like A-10 or higher

what u need is hit your set..or you lose..

mostly i play PP's as cheap as possible to see the flop...and try to outplay after the flop..or fold postflop.

     
  31-May-12, 14:44   #5
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Serpang 
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Raise preflop is ok, but I will not at early position. No hit on flop I will check. If compare with theory of course you did bad move with shove, what is your reason ? your opponent is calling station ? For me, your move just gambling, not tactical, you out position. next time better after this threat Tongue Tongue

     
  31-May-12, 14:47   #6
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Macubaas 
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I think a bigger bet pre flop would have been better but thats not the problem if you ask me...

The part that i do not liked is that you shoved after the flop and put all your chips to risk. Now i should have known more about the other players but there are people that call it with just TT...

I think a cbet would have been more proper Blink

     
  31-May-12, 15:07   #7
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awood88 
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Preflop raise is fine. you definitely don't want to raise more than that. The idea is that we get called and win a decent pot, not to aim to win the blinds. A mid pair is a hand where we need to hit a good flop and be able to play well post flop so there's no reason to let the pot get too big before we know if we have it. I don't like to call here though. You need to whittle down the hands that will call and a raise to about 500 would have done for me.

I see no reason to ship the flop unless you know players are very loose. Maybe some idiot will call with any ace or any six but I don't think it's standard here. The pot isn't big enough to warrant a shove of five/six times the pot. A pot size bet would probably be enough to get drawing hands calling and get rid of random overs. Shove any blank on the turn.

     
  31-May-12, 15:57   #8
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uhhcallmi 

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[2012-05-31 17:51:45]: starting hand #6434644
Table: €15 Freeroll - NL Hold'em 50/100 Ante: 10 (Tournament hand #75758, table 6)
Starting game.
seat 1. rocknrolla [635 chips]
seat 2. Butterfly [7482 chips]
seat 3. Vollord [2585 chips]
seat 4. dani.daniel [790 chips]
seat 5. Neculai [1085 chips]
seat 6. zazoo [670 chips]
seat 7. uhhcallmi [5433 chips]
seat 8. lagala37 [695 chips]
seat 9. pionier [1390 chips]
seat 10. papasa45 [1640 chips]

rocknrolla posted ante (10)
Butterfly posted ante (10)
Vollord posted ante (10)
dani.daniel posted ante (10)
Neculai posted ante (10)
zazoo posted ante (10)
uhhcallmi posted ante (10)
lagala37 posted ante (10)
pionier posted ante (10)
papasa45 posted ante (10)
Betting round ended. Main pot: 100
zazoo posted SB (25).
uhhcallmi posted BB (50).
Dealing cards:
uhhcallmi: 3d, Qs
Butterfly: Ah, 9s
lagala37 folded.
pionier folded.
papasa45 folded.
rocknrolla folded.
Butterfly called 50.
Vollord called 50.
dani.daniel folded.
Neculai called 50.
zazoo folded.
uhhcallmi checked.
Betting round ended. Main pot: 325
Dealing flop: Ac, Qd, 3h
uhhcallmi bet 125.
Butterfly raised 575 to 700.
Vollord folded.
Neculai folded.
uhhcallmi raised 1575 to 2275.
Butterfly called 1575.
Betting round ended. Main pot: 4875
Dealing turn: 9c
uhhcallmi bet 3098.
Butterfly called 3098.
Betting round ended. Main pot: 11071
Dealing river: 7d
Butterfly showed: [Ah Ac Qd 9s 9c ] - Two pairs, Aces and Nines.
uhhcallmi showed: [Ac Qs Qd 3h 3d ] - Two pairs, Queens and Threes.
Butterfly won main pot with Two pairs, Aces and Nines.
Butterfly won 11071.
Hand ended.
uhhcallmi said: damn,,,

The first hand against 1 player who covers my stack and lighting stroke again,,,

my feeling said,,after seen the flop ,,this hand stinks...
still i played ...and continued my story...was a freeroll,however...as i reacted on chat,,DAMN!!!

what did i do wrong here??? only possible i can think of is all inn at the flop so opponent could fold,, but that was not what i wanted,,
i wanted all his chips... Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

     
  31-May-12, 16:19   #9
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doomdy 

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Posted by uhhcallmi:
[2012-05-31 17:51:45]: starting hand #6434644
Table: �15 Freeroll - NL Hold'em 50/100 Ante: 10 (Tournament hand #75758, table 6)
Starting game.
seat 1. rocknrolla [635 chips]
seat 2. Butterfly [7482 chips]
seat 3. Vollord [2585 chips]
seat 4. dani.daniel [790 chips]
seat 5. Neculai [1085 chips]
seat 6. zazoo [670 chips]
seat 7. uhhcallmi [5433 chips]
seat 8. lagala37 [695 chips]
seat 9. pionier [1390 chips]
seat 10. papasa45 [1640 chips]

rocknrolla posted ante (10)
Butterfly posted ante (10)
Vollord posted ante (10)
dani.daniel posted ante (10)
Neculai posted ante (10)
zazoo posted ante (10)
uhhcallmi posted ante (10)
lagala37 posted ante (10)
pionier posted ante (10)
papasa45 posted ante (10)
Betting round ended. Main pot: 100
zazoo posted SB (25).
uhhcallmi posted BB (50).
Dealing cards:
uhhcallmi: 3d, Qs
Butterfly: Ah, 9s
lagala37 folded.
pionier folded.
papasa45 folded.
rocknrolla folded.
Butterfly called 50.
Vollord called 50.
dani.daniel folded.
Neculai called 50.
zazoo folded.
uhhcallmi checked.
Betting round ended. Main pot: 325
Dealing flop: Ac, Qd, 3h
uhhcallmi bet 125.
Butterfly raised 575 to 700.
Vollord folded.
Neculai folded.
uhhcallmi raised 1575 to 2275.
Butterfly called 1575.
Betting round ended. Main pot: 4875
Dealing turn: 9c
uhhcallmi bet 3098.
Butterfly called 3098.
Betting round ended. Main pot: 11071
Dealing river: 7d
Butterfly showed: [Ah Ac Qd 9s 9c ] - Two pairs, Aces and Nines.
uhhcallmi showed: [Ac Qs Qd 3h 3d ] - Two pairs, Queens and Threes.
Butterfly won main pot with Two pairs, Aces and Nines.
Butterfly won 11071.
Hand ended.
uhhcallmi said: damn,,,

The first hand against 1 player who covers my stack and lighting stroke again,,,

my feeling said,,after seen the flop ,,this hand stinks...
still i played ...and continued my story...was a freeroll,however...as i reacted on chat,,DAMN!!!

what did i do wrong here??? only possible i can think of is all inn at the flop so opponent could fold,, but that was not what i wanted,,
i wanted all his chips... Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!


You did nothing wrong here, its a freeroll and you got your money in ahead, perfect played, just unlucky.

     
  31-May-12, 17:49   #10
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uhhcallmi 

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thnx doomdy, just needed a confirm on this... felt real bad after however...

as is said ..when i saw the flop ,i thought ,,this stinks...ill probably end up without chips...

although ok played ,wish i listened to my inner radar,,,lol Smile Big Smile Cool

     
  31-May-12, 18:02   #11
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TheMachineQC 

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Posted by doomdy:
Raise is ok but i go for the limp/call small bet cos we are pretty deep.
3way family pot, i go trying to buy the pot but cant see me go allin here tbh.
In freeroll/low limit though i pumpfist yes true.
But in general i am still in phase tourney ''no set no bet'' though i can try to buy this pot 1 time.

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Imho fold preflop is also ok.
Also raise preflop is ok.
Also limp/call small bet is ok.
All 3 are EV+ if we know how to play it postflop imo.


Worship

All was said ^^ Pre flop you could've just flat called for set mining because your position was bad. But raising is ok too. Shoving on the flop is a terrible mistake though, since only better hands will call you, except maybe 66 or 77.

uhhcallmi --> You did nothing wrong there. The 9 was actually a pretty good turn card for you, just unlucky that was his kicker.

     
  31-May-12, 19:20   #12
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sadamman 

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Okay I've heard what I needed to hear. I knew it was bad but this guy Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Angry Angry Angry ...........

*** TURN *** [3s 5c 4h] Queen of diamonds
*** RIVER *** [3s 5c 4h Qd] Ace of clubs
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sadamman: shows [8c 8h] (a pair of Eights)
shishper: shows [6s 7s] (a straight, Three to Seven)
shishper collected 19050 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 19050 | Rake 0
Board [3s 5c 4h Qd Ac]
Seat 1: dangaz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: maks9379 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: sadamman showed [8c 8h] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 4: shishper showed [6s 7s] and won (19050) with a straight, Three to Seven
Seat 6: blancan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: cipita09 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Pogled (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: tigre1486 (big blind) folded before Flop

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I then tilted and called him a lucky f**k. He said "nice shove" but wtf he shouldn't have been in the hand to that raise in my opinion. Angry

     
  31-May-12, 20:26   #13
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awood88 
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Posted by sadamman:
I then tilted and called him a lucky f**k. He said "nice shove" but wtf he shouldn't have been in the hand to that raise in my opinion. Angry


Definitely shouldn't have been in the hand. He would lose a lot of chips more often than he would win in this case but in honesty I suspected he would have this hand the way your post went especially since you questioned whether you raised enough.

You shouldn't have shoved on the flop but he was really lucky and I think that even if you had played it differently you would still have ended up losing it all. I think even if he had just called a bet you would still want to shove the turn.

     
  31-May-12, 20:31   #14
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sadamman 

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a2 suited I could of dealt with but I weren't expecting that I was fuming.

     
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