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I understand there's a signifcant difference between AA and JJ, but seems with these pairs there's some debate as to how to play them or when to play them the best to optimize your chances of winning with them. Is it best to go allin with AA or KK and play QQ / JJ slow since hitting an overcard on the flop is something like 67% (not sure if that's correct).
Or, do you play all these pairs based on position and watching what's been played in the previous 5 hands. I mean is monitoring hand history worth while just to see what's been flopped in previous hands prior to making your decision as to how to play these pairs?
Reason I ask is, I seem to lose more with QQ then any of the other 3 pair and looking for some good suggestions or opinions.
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You can't play those four the same. AA and KK are absolute monsters and getting the chips in preflop is a dream. JJ on the other hand can be a bit of a problem. One either has a flip or is a total dog if the chips go in preflop. So QQ remains. I play it hard, but not as hard as AA or KK.
How do you play the queens and how do you manage to lose a lot of those hands?
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I allways play AA/KK/QQ ultra agressive,dont mind if i bust with them but allways want opponents to pay for it. JJ i also try play agressive, getting better at it
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Posted by doomdy: I allways play AA/KK/QQ ultra agressive,dont mind if i bust with them but allways want opponents to pay for it. JJ i also try play agressive, getting better at it
AA and KK are pretty straight forward. Get as many chips in the middle as you can, but also remember that once the flop comes, you've still only got a pair. Most players go broke with AA/KK because they feel it's invincible.
QQ is somewhat in the middle. Play it strong, but also take into consideration who you're up against, as well as the texture of the board once the flop comes.
I REALLY hate JJ, as it can be quite akward to play. It's too strong to play for set value really, but also to weak to player UBER aggressive as even though you've got a pair, you're not much of a favorite against a good players calling/raising range. JJ is one of those hands where you really want to play aggressive, but keep the pot smaller unless you hit a monster.
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Posted by doomdy: I allways play AA/KK/QQ ultra agressive,dont mind if i bust with them but allways want opponents to pay for it. JJ i also try play agressive, getting better at it
AA and KK are pretty straight forward. Get as many chips in the middle as you can, but also remember that once the flop comes, you've still only got a pair. Most players go broke with AA/KK because they feel it's invincible.
QQ is somewhat in the middle. Play it strong, but also take into consideration who you're up against, as well as the texture of the board once the flop comes.
I REALLY hate JJ, as it can be quite akward to play. It's too strong to play for set value really, but also to weak to player UBER aggressive as even though you've got a pair, you're not much of a favorite against a good players calling/raising range. JJ is one of those hands where you really want to play aggressive, but keep the pot smaller unless you hit a monster.
Great advice retribution as for all, but adding tyhe detailed information is always appreciated by someone of my caliber. Meaning, I've been playing for about a year and a half so I'm still learning most everyday. Some lessons harder then others, but respected, not tilting. good Luck to Alland it always make sme feel good when the Mobsters reply without making me feel as if I should know instead of be asking about some things.
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Posted by doomdy: I allways play AA/KK/QQ ultra agressive,dont mind if i bust with them but allways want opponents to pay for it. JJ i also try play agressive, getting better at it
AA and KK are pretty straight forward. Get as many chips in the middle as you can, but also remember that once the flop comes, you've still only got a pair. Most players go broke with AA/KK because they feel it's invincible.
QQ is somewhat in the middle. Play it strong, but also take into consideration who you're up against, as well as the texture of the board once the flop comes.
I REALLY hate JJ, as it can be quite akward to play. It's too strong to play for set value really, but also to weak to player UBER aggressive as even though you've got a pair, you're not much of a favorite against a good players calling/raising range. JJ is one of those hands where you really want to play aggressive, but keep the pot smaller unless you hit a monster.
Great advice retribution as for all, but adding tyhe detailed information is always appreciated by someone of my caliber. Meaning, I've been playing for about a year and a half so I'm still learning most everyday. Some lessons harder then others, but respected, not tilting. good Luck to Alland it always make sme feel good when the Mobsters reply without making me feel as if I should know instead of be asking about some things.
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Of course it varies between positions, stack sizes and situations but generally I will always raise AA and KK regardless of how big the pot is getting. QQ I like to keep it in check preflop. I will always make sure the bet has been raised and no one gets a cheap call but if there is a strong raise and a call I'll probably call behind and I wouldn't raise a reraise with QQ unless I was shortstacked. JJ I might even just call a raise and try and get more people in the hand. It's the kind of hand where you can hit a monster so it's better to have a few more in the hand unlike KK where I prefer to go heads up or all-in multiway preflop. But like QQ I want to make sure there is a raise preflop or it's too hard to put your opponent on a range. But it's not as simple as raise this much with aces, this much with kings, this much with queens...
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Your question is too wide Green, I mean we need limitation, like how many chips do you have ? Position, and habit or style of play player at the table. for complete and best advise I suggest you read poker book again Don't feel shame. more you dig more you get !!!!
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Having history of bad experiences with slow play aces, i now always bet with them pre-flop, and i don't mind if i dont win more, because i consider it a tricky hand that my influence us to do some crazy move after flop even if we have the feeling we are behind. About the other pairs, i am able to fold KK when i see an ace at the table, so i think this says much about my game.
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I am glad you asked this question and reading the responses have made me think a little more about royal pockets. I have played poker for about a year and a half also, so I still have a lot to learn.
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As most have said, it's hard to say without more information. But still, AA and KK you get as much in the pot is possible preflop. QQ I usually go in for a decent raise pre-flop but I never re-raise seeing as the K or A can easily come on the table.
When it comes to JJ I'm actually able to fold that hand preflop. Some people call me crazy but I would rather play 88 then JJ. The reason for this is that I have never even ones in my entire life won a hand with JJ. So well, my play on that hand is probably not a good play but you might understand my reluctance to play a hand that I've lost with every single time I've played it.
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Posted by Serpang: Your question is too wide Green, I mean we need limitation, like how many chips do you have ? Position, and habit or style of play player at the table. for complete and best advise I suggest you read poker book again Don't feel shame. more you dig more you get !!!!
I left it wide open to gain as much feedback from everyone's opinion as possible. Thinking that one could create details with their feedback although your point is very valid, but would also limit feedback. Let's remember I'm not very experienced so simple questions are pretty much where I stand at this time. The book advice is what I need to ask more detailed questions where I can reflect on position, pots, or other more experienced questions, but thanks to you and all!
in the pot is possible preflop. QQ I usually go in for a decent raise pre-flop but I never re-raise seeing as the K or A can easily come on the table.
So well, my play on that hand is probably not a good play but you might understand my reluctance to play a hand that I've lost with every single time I've played it.
