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  3-Jun-12, 13:33   #1
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aburila 
Joined: Mar '11
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does anybody has a good strategy for this type of sng's... started playing then yesterday and after a session of 40 sng i noticed that my ITM was about 50%.... but i was losing money because of the rake Sad Sad Sad Sad
so if anyone have any advice for me is really welcome
thx and waiting for your reply

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seems that there are not many mobsters playing double or nothing .... Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

Edited by aburila (Sunday, June 03, 2012 @ 17:42 GMT)


     
  3-Jun-12, 18:15   #2
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TheMachineQC 

Joined: Apr '10
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Well, double or nothings are pretty simple. (and boring IMHO) You have to play very tight early, wait for some people to get busted then start taking risks if you get under about 20-30 BBs. It's probably the most simple format ever! But yeah it's definetly not the best/fastest way to make money.

     
  3-Jun-12, 19:51   #3
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noonlion 

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Posted by TheMachineQC:
Well, double or nothings are pretty simple. (and boring IMHO) You have to play very tight early, wait for some people to get busted then start taking risks if you get under about 20-30 BBs. It's probably the most simple format ever! But yeah it's definetly not the best/fastest way to make money.


Maybe not the fastest, but it depends on the site.

However its a great way to build a bankroll with minimal risk - depending on player standards you don't have to play mega tight either

     
  3-Jun-12, 21:42   #4
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doomdy 

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Tight is right, icm is king here.

     
  3-Jun-12, 21:54   #5
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Arithmajik 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Canada
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As Domdy said, ICM: Independant Chip Model is your optimal strategy. There are free ICM Calculators out there, but it's a bit of a pain mid game. The jist of the idea is as mentioned above, tight early on (no throwing down with AQ/AJ or low pockets) make moves later when you have good fold equity and don't take unessessary risks.

     
  3-Jun-12, 21:56   #6
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aburila 
Joined: Mar '11
Location: United Kingdom
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i'm playing quite tight... but don't know if it's only me or it happens often ... usually i play 6-8 tables in the same time and on half of them i play really good and seems like the card are also on my side and on the other half of them i get good card but also a load of bad beats....

     
  3-Jun-12, 22:51   #7
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uhhcallmi 

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trust me on double or nothing tables ,,u play to much tables at a time...

better play 4 times higher stakes and play 1 or 2 tables...more chance for succes.

suppose u get sucked out reel bad on all 8,,how u gonna handle that mentaly,,,??? if u play tight

and correct poker..

     
  5-Jun-12, 11:32   #8
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Sorin888 
Joined: Apr '11
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You have to play better than 50%,othewise you loose money because of rake,higher every day sites raise the rake.General ideea is to find the fishes and take their money.If your opponents are at your level all of you will loose money because of rake

     
  5-Jun-12, 12:07   #9
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Fakiry 

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Main rule - don't go all-in when you are confortable in chips when there are only 6

players and there is one player almost running out of chips!
I like to play double or nothing but i got to a certain point in the game where i realized i would do better if i stick to the normal single table SnG's instead of those, because i would win more money. If you play the $1,10 DoN SnG's and you win one, you will have a profit of $0,90, if you win two in a row, the profit will be $1,80, but if you lose the third, your profit become $0,70. This means that if, in ten DoN SnG's, you only win seven, you have spent/bet $11, lost $3,30 and won $6,30, plus the total invested that you are able to save ($7,70), you make you a total profit of $14. In conclusion, You invested $11 in ten games and you end up winning $14. If you go for the normal $1,10 single table SnG, one win means you receive $5, $3 (2nd) or $2 (3rd). If, in ten SnG, you finish 7 in 3rd and lose 3, it will be the same acounting as in DoN. Any better will always be better profits.

     
  5-Jun-12, 12:25   #10
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Fackinas 
Joined: Oct '09
Location: Lithuania
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Posted by aburila:
does anybody has a good strategy for this type of sng's... started playing then yesterday and after a session of 40 sng i noticed that my ITM was about 50%.... but i was losing money because of the rake Sad Sad Sad Sad
so if anyone have any advice for me is really welcome
thx and waiting for your reply

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seems that there are not many mobsters playing double or nothing .... Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

Where do you play those DON's and I guess it was micro stake yes?
You should look for a skype group witch are playing those SNG's and maybe they will add you to the group there you can ask something useful for you

     
  5-Jun-12, 14:25   #11
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Chartoule 
Joined: May '09
Location: Spain
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Hi guys!!

I read that DoN are pretty simple.. well, not really. I agree ICM is the key in DoNs. And to improve our skills in ICM nothing better than use programs like ICM Trainer. We can learn a lot with it.

But, in my opinion, DoNs are only for rakeback.

     
  5-Jun-12, 14:45   #12
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WinAllDay 
Joined: Sep '11
Location: Canada
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basically 55% is your break even mark counting the rake based on 1$+.10. (11 wins gives $22, 20 games+rake=$22) If you want to see some good profit half is definitely not the mark you want to be aiming for. I would like to see myself around the 80% range personally but that's just my goal.

I use DoN's basically to try to profit a couple bucks to play in a MTT. kind of like a satellite in my eyes. Since I play on an absolute micro bankroll achieve from freerolls these DoN's are a low risk way for me to obtain some loose change to grind with.

I have been reading about pokerstars variation on the double or nothing. They have what is called fifty 50 tournaments. If you place 5 of 10 you will get your buy in back and then the other half of the prize pool is distributed based on your ending chip stack.

the formula is ending chip amount divided by chips in play multiplied by half of the prize pool
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/tournaments/types/#fifty50

(not sure if im breaking rules posting the website link, its pokerstars sit and go structures.)

     
  5-Jun-12, 15:02   #13
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Serpang 
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as my experience , hard to build bankroll from s n g, like you lost to rake. Count it carefully !!
Maybe play Heads Up is better. Should be play variance buy in. MTT is the best change to build bankroll for me

Edited by Serpang (Tuesday, June 05, 2012 @ 15:06 GMT)


     
  5-Jun-12, 15:46   #14
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
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Posted by Serpang:
as my experience , hard to build bankroll from s n g, like you lost to rake. Count it carefully !!
Maybe play Heads Up is better. Should be play variance buy in. MTT is the best change to build bankroll for me


Think SNG is easiest to build roll with, cash also kinda easy most difficult is MTT cos so sick variance.

     
  5-Jun-12, 15:49   #15
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
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This SNG you are talking about are heads up sng's or what?

I'm not a big SNG expert but we have some awesome mobsters that rock SNG's so wat for their input on this one and i'm sure they can help you Blink

     
  5-Jun-12, 16:41   #16
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aburila 
Joined: Mar '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 108
i play the DoN on party ... and i play the $6, $11 and $22 ones
i managed to improve my game a bit so now i'm on about 65-70%

so i hope to keep improving my game and in the long run to manage to build a nice bankroll

     
  5-Jun-12, 21:51   #17
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Arithmajik 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Canada
Age: 32 (M)
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Good job aburila,

I'd say if your win rate is consistently 65-70% you're doing a great job already. I doubt if my own win rate is even 60% lol. Either way sound like you're on the right track, keep up the good work and keep buildin that roll.

     
  10-Jun-12, 22:01   #18
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Rogerio10 
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I was playing don's on ipoker 1,10$ super turbos. The blinds was increads every minute so the variance here was brutal some time. I stoped playing them becaouse of rake, and will play them again when i have enough br for 5,30 4max. super turbo.
I think with good RB deal this games can be profitable. But you must have some knowledge on ICM and notes of players ranges. Gl Smile

     
  11-Jun-12, 02:01   #19
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jovicakralj 

Joined: Nov '10
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Dont play poker. Early dont play, later dont look at cards just push when you need to do it.

     
  11-Jun-12, 03:17   #20
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Arithmajik 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Canada
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Posted by Rogerio10:
I was playing don's on ipoker 1,10$ super turbos. The blinds was increads every minute so the variance here was brutal some time. I stoped playing them becaouse of rake, and will play them again when i have enough br for 5,30 4max. super turbo.
I think with good RB deal this games can be profitable. But you must have some knowledge on ICM and notes of players ranges. Gl Smile


I loved those DoN's, can;t wait to get on the iPoke network to play them again, so many waste their buy in right off the bat, it;s great.

And lol at Jovi, that's a great way to sum it up, short, sweet, and effective.

     
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