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  10-Jun-12, 09:36   #1
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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Top 20 paid, was at 26/51.
For me this is uber standard spot, many say this is donkplay.
Just give your opinions.

Table #45387407 - Tournament #26012807 Table #14
Starting Hand #2102552346
Start time of hand: 10 Jun 2012 09:27:28
Last Hand #2102552066
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now 200 / 400
Button is at seat 1
Seat 1: PissPage - 17,725
Seat 2: OzPitbull - 8,542
Seat 4: domdy - 7,382
Seat 5: Weirygirl - 10,500
Seat 6: yanteng - 3,420
Seat 7: meeka1 - 11,265
Seat 8: DONKYHOTIS2012 - 3,425
Seat 9: NadaNoppes - 10,523
Seat 10: Carolaah - 5,290
Shuffling Deck
Moving Button to seat 2
PissPage posts ante of 50
OzPitbull posts ante of 50
domdy posts ante of 50
Weirygirl posts ante of 50
yanteng posts ante of 50
meeka1 posts ante of 50
DONKYHOTIS2012 posts ante of 50
NadaNoppes posts ante of 50
Carolaah posts ante of 50
Pot sizes: 450
domdy posts small blind (200)
Weirygirl posts big blind (400)
Dealing Cards
Dealing [T s][8 s] to domdy
yanteng folds
meeka1 folds
DONKYHOTIS2012 folds
NadaNoppes folds
Carolaah folds
PissPage folds
OzPitbull folds
domdy raises to 7,332 (all-in)
Weirygirl folds
Pot sizes: 1,250
domdy doesn't show
domdy wins 1,250
Seat 1: PissPage - 17,675
Seat 2: OzPitbull - 8,492
Seat 4: domdy - 8,182
Seat 5: Weirygirl - 10,050
Seat 6: yanteng - 3,370
Seat 7: meeka1 - 11,215
Seat 8: DONKYHOTIS2012 - 3,375
Seat 9: NadaNoppes - 10,473
Seat 10: Carolaah - 5,240
End of Hand #2102552346

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Edit: I kinda do this shove in this spot with any 2, how about you?

Edited by doomdy (Sunday, June 10, 2012 @ 09:36 GMT)


     
  10-Jun-12, 10:02   #2
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
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Yeah, I pretty much do the same - with a few exceptions:

* If I've shoved the last few hands (maybe had good cards) I might be hesitant about shoving any two knowing that people will call light
* If players in blinds are ultra loose/passive players likely to call with too wide a range

But unless I have a good reason to believe I am going to be called lite, then I shove most cards.. Almost any two - but I prefer to have a bit more equity than say 27os - but I'll shove any 2 suited, any connected, anything with a broadway, etc. Basically the only cards I wont shove in this spot are low, unconnected, unsuited cards.

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Oh - just saw you were small blind, not button.

That changes it a little - I try not to shove every time it's folded to me in sb, otherwise bb will correctly adjust his range and call me wider.

I try and mix it up a bit, shoving from button, sb, hijack, cut-off, etc. Basically any LP and sb

     
  10-Jun-12, 10:20   #3
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marqis 

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I agree that it's pushing or folding, with you having a CSI < 7.
Everyone folded, so it's just the BB left. I think the BB has an extremely tight range to be able to call this. So I'm sure this is a correct play in the long run (the BB will fold often enough to make it profitable).

This is what you mean when you say you're playing to win rather than to be ITM, right?

How often can you pull this off without being conspicuous?

As for me, I'm probably folding due to lack of courage, waiting for a better spot.

     
  10-Jun-12, 10:26   #4
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doomdy 

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Posted by marqis:
This is what you mean when you say you're playing to win rather than to be ITM, right?

How often can you pull this off without being conspicuous?

As for me, I'm probably folding due to lack of courage, waiting for a better spot.


Yes, if we get called by AK/AQ we not far behind, in fact its kinda a flip.
I dont mind getting called a stealer, then they must call with their KJs or something i dont care to bust.


     
  10-Jun-12, 11:00   #5
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shokaku 

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Easy shove with all the antes in the pot and less than 20 BB in our stack. Of cause it looks like donkplay, if the BB wakes up with a big pocket pair tho.

     
  10-Jun-12, 11:23   #6
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doomdy 

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Ok same tourney, i survived, final table now, low in stack 9/10.

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Did fight my way back too chipleader now......

Edited by doomdy (Sunday, June 10, 2012 @ 11:54 GMT)


     
  10-Jun-12, 12:13   #7
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Serpang 
Joined: Jan '10
Location: Indonesia
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I rare do that since I have 20BB or more. Bluff/semibluff on button or cut off looks like danger now, cos everyone know the theory. manytime I saw SB or BB call with Ax or Kx !!

Is 10 8 suited bluff ? I don't think so. For me medium suited connector/gap is better than small pair.
Depend on WHEN play it.

How do you think ? I need advise, too. Simple but good discuss Doomdy Smile Smile

     
  10-Jun-12, 12:24   #8
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
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Age: 46 (M)
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And HU now......

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Cry Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad

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Ok so i played 3 MTTs, 2 times a $5 one and a $100 freeroll else i get bored, results:

$5 13 runners: 1/13 paid $32.
$0 633 runners: 2/633 paid $10.
$5 173 runners: 2/173 paid $138.

I am a low stake mothafoker Sad

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See Jess and me play at PKR:
http://www.bankrollmob.com/free-bankrolls-details.asp?r...

Dont forget to take the free money Blink

Edited by doomdy (Sunday, June 10, 2012 @ 12:33 GMT)


     
  10-Jun-12, 19:25   #9
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sadamman 

Joined: Jan '12
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Hmm... Dunno about this one, you still had quite a bit of fold equity. I've been known to make plays like this myself but it never works out for me. Sad You won though, so it's irrelevant what I think, you obviously run good enough to make these plays. I wish I had your luck you've got crazy voodoo skillz. Cool

     
  10-Jun-12, 20:19   #10
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
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Posted by sadamman:
Hmm... Dunno about this one, you still had quite a bit of fold equity. I've been known to make plays like this myself but it never works out for me. Sad You won though, so it's irrelevant what I think, you obviously run good enough to make these plays. I wish I had your luck you've got crazy voodoo skillz. Cool


Nothing to do with luck just basic ICM strategy.

     
  10-Jun-12, 20:27   #11
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sadamman 

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I know but it was lucky not to run into something, I do the same, I just run into something when I do, because I'm unlucky.

     
  10-Jun-12, 20:28   #12
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doomdy 

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Posted by sadamman:
I know but it was lucky not to run into something, I do the same, I just run into something when I do, because I'm unlucky.


That doesnt matter, if you run into someting T8s is a semi monster, your never far behind.

     
  10-Jun-12, 20:29   #13
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sadamman 

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Yeah man I agree. I'm just cursed I swear down.

     
  10-Jun-12, 20:45   #14
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retribution 

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Location: Canada
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Jess pretty much nailed it. Shoving wide is pretty much unexploitable, because you can always shove a lot wider than they can. If you know they'll call down lighter, just shove a bit tighter.

With only >10BB left, you NEED to be taking absolutely any reasonable spot that you can to pick up chips, and that's definitely a good spot.


     
  10-Jun-12, 21:10   #15
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damosk 
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Agree that this is a basic shove in your position. Youre on about 6M so a good shout at this point. The BB has you covered and would need a pretty convincin g hand to go with you so overall a good spot to shive.

     
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