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  12-Jun-12, 03:11   #1
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Battle87 
Joined: Aug '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 29 (M)
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yannickvr placed 8 of 199 in Dirty Dozen (6 seater) and won $66.86

yannickvr placed 1 of 223 in Tiny Terminator and won $139.61

yannickvr placed 2 of 72 in Late Night (6 seater) and won $450

the Late night was a good one last nine places payed, went up and down like a yoyo with high pockets that kept getting cracked, then finally last 9 I made the bubble. Went really slow from there on bein reall patient none the less cards wouldn't came, still managed to hang in to last 6. with average of 10 BB. Dubbeled up twice, first time with mayor luck and second time with pocket 88 called the tilt player I just sucked out on. Was two hands in a row, then the cards came and I took over the lead in around 10 hands, made a gutsy call will post the hand later on to give me a massive advantage. Then heads up came, pretty close match untill I made a wrong read and trew half my stack away on a resteal. Can't always be right Tongue. Hand after I busted with AT vs 88. He flopped his set turn gave a bit of hope for a runner straight, but no luck. Still happy with the result.



Here is the hand I told you about that gave me a big advantage.


Table #45415534 - Tournament #26025331 Table #14
Starting Hand #2103906786
Start time of hand: 12 Jun 2012 02:25:14
Last Hand #2103906714
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now 1,000 / 2,000
Button is at seat 4
Seat 1: yannickvr - 83,811
Seat 4: JuDeCaToRuL - 77,698
Seat 5: elbcoasthengst - 54,491
Shuffling Deck
Moving Button to seat 5
yannickvr posts ante of 200
JuDeCaToRuL posts ante of 200
elbcoasthengst posts ante of 200
Pot sizes: 600
yannickvr posts small blind (1,000)
JuDeCaToRuL posts big blind (2,000)
Dealing Cards
Dealing [A d][9 d] to yannickvr
elbcoasthengst folds
yannickvr raises to 5,000
JuDeCaToRuL calls 5,000
Pot sizes: 10,600
Dealing Flop [7 c][A c][5 h]
yannickvr bets 7,067
JuDeCaToRuL calls 7,067
Pot sizes: 24,734
Dealing Turn [4 c]
yannickvr checks
JuDeCaToRuL checks
Pot sizes: 24,734
Dealing River [2 c]
yannickvr checks
JuDeCaToRuL bets 24,734
yannickvr calls 24,734
Pot sizes: 74,202
JuDeCaToRuL shows [7 d][8 h]
JuDeCaToRuL has One Pair: 7s
yannickvr shows [A d][9 d]
yannickvr has One Pair: Aces
yannickvr wins 74,202 with: One Pair: Aces
Seat 1: yannickvr - 121,012
Seat 4: JuDeCaToRuL - 40,697
Seat 5: elbcoasthengst - 54,291
End of Hand #2103906786


JuDeCaToRuL: donkey call!
yannickvr: was just to big for value
JuDeCaToRuL: STFU
JuDeCaToRuL: you are a donk
JuDeCaToRuL: calling with that
yannickvr: I was right wasn't I?


This was a gutsy call I must admit, but something just didn't add up the way it played out. I did the thinking, and came to the conclusion that he's not gonna put out that kinda bet with the nut flush, he's not gonna bet with a smaller clubs also not with a 3 to complete the straight. There weren't any hand beating me I would put him on after that bet, unless he wanted me to think this was. He knows I was pretty tight all the way trough and I know he does like to take it on the river, but didn't see him pull such a sized bluff. Any thoughts on this hand?

Edited by Battle87 (Tuesday, June 12, 2012 @ 03:55 GMT)


     
  12-Jun-12, 04:54   #2
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Aces_Bluffer 

Joined: Apr '12
Location: Argentina
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 78
Posted by Battle87:
yannickvr placed 8 of 199 in Dirty Dozen (6 seater) and won $66.86

yannickvr placed 1 of 223 in Tiny Terminator and won $139.61

yannickvr placed 2 of 72 in Late Night (6 seater) and won $450

the Late night was a good one last nine places payed, went up and down like a yoyo with high pockets that kept getting cracked, then finally last 9 I made the bubble. Went really slow from there on bein reall patient none the less cards wouldn't came, still managed to hang in to last 6. with average of 10 BB. Dubbeled up twice, first time with mayor luck and second time with pocket 88 called the tilt player I just sucked out on. Was two hands in a row, then the cards came and I took over the lead in around 10 hands, made a gutsy call will post the hand later on to give me a massive advantage. Then heads up came, pretty close match untill I made a wrong read and trew half my stack away on a resteal. Can't always be right Tongue. Hand after I busted with AT vs 88. He flopped his set turn gave a bit of hope for a runner straight, but no luck. Still happy with the result.



Here is the hand I told you about that gave me a big advantage.


Table #45415534 - Tournament #26025331 Table #14
Starting Hand #2103906786
Start time of hand: 12 Jun 2012 02:25:14
Last Hand #2103906714
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now 1,000 / 2,000
Button is at seat 4
Seat 1: yannickvr - 83,811
Seat 4: JuDeCaToRuL - 77,698
Seat 5: elbcoasthengst - 54,491
Shuffling Deck
Moving Button to seat 5
yannickvr posts ante of 200
JuDeCaToRuL posts ante of 200
elbcoasthengst posts ante of 200
Pot sizes: 600
yannickvr posts small blind (1,000)
JuDeCaToRuL posts big blind (2,000)
Dealing Cards
Dealing [A d][9 d] to yannickvr
elbcoasthengst folds
yannickvr raises to 5,000
JuDeCaToRuL calls 5,000
Pot sizes: 10,600
Dealing Flop [7 c][A c][5 h]
yannickvr bets 7,067
JuDeCaToRuL calls 7,067
Pot sizes: 24,734
Dealing Turn [4 c]
yannickvr checks
JuDeCaToRuL checks
Pot sizes: 24,734
Dealing River [2 c]
yannickvr checks
JuDeCaToRuL bets 24,734
yannickvr calls 24,734
Pot sizes: 74,202
JuDeCaToRuL shows [7 d][8 h]
JuDeCaToRuL has One Pair: 7s
yannickvr shows [A d][9 d]
yannickvr has One Pair: Aces
yannickvr wins 74,202 with: One Pair: Aces
Seat 1: yannickvr - 121,012
Seat 4: JuDeCaToRuL - 40,697
Seat 5: elbcoasthengst - 54,291
End of Hand #2103906786


JuDeCaToRuL: donkey call!
yannickvr: was just to big for value
JuDeCaToRuL: STFU
JuDeCaToRuL: you are a donk
JuDeCaToRuL: calling with that
yannickvr: I was right wasn't I?


This was a gutsy call I must admit, but something just didn't add up the way it played out. I did the thinking, and came to the conclusion that he's not gonna put out that kinda bet with the nut flush, he's not gonna bet with a smaller clubs also not with a 3 to complete the straight. There weren't any hand beating me I would put him on after that bet, unless he wanted me to think this was. He knows I was pretty tight all the way trough and I know he does like to take it on the river, but didn't see him pull such a sized bluff. Any thoughts on this hand?


It was a very gutsy call, but also a risky one. But thinking about his bet, it's more probable to be a bluff. If you have a flush, then you would like to make a profit from it, that's why I would also think about calling the bet as it may be a bluff. If he had had a real chance of a flush, why didn't he bet on the turn? That's what makes me think a lot about it (and as I said, most of overbets are hidding a low hand unless you can afford winning or losing the same amount of chips regardless the strenght of the hand... Which is tipical from Isildur style).

If you knew that player a little bit, and you based your choise because of your knowledge about his game, it's not a bad call but it's a risky one.

Finally I must say great job, Battle! Keep it up!

Regards,
Aces.

     
  12-Jun-12, 05:40   #3
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 6197

JuDeCaToRuL: donkey call!
yannickvr: was just to big for value
JuDeCaToRuL: STFU
JuDeCaToRuL: you are a donk
JuDeCaToRuL: calling with that
yannickvr: I was right wasn't I?


LMAO Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  12-Jun-12, 06:01   #4
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ayaraled 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Philippines
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 544
risky call but you have a good read and it was perfect timing call.very good play. Thumbs Up

     
  12-Jun-12, 06:48   #5
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Serpang 
Joined: Jan '10
Location: Indonesia
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 1477
Did you ever think he had A 10 ? You make decision just base on your analysis or Feeling, too ?
I never read post or threat at this forum about feeling or instinct . Is really useless ? Poker just math and probability ?
( I am sure not )

Congratz for your winning, really good achievement Smile Smile

     
  12-Jun-12, 09:02   #6
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
lmao

JuDeCaToRuL

I get in fights with this guy quite a bit.. Hahaha, glad you punked him.

Grats on the Late Night runners up - I really like that game - great format.

     
  12-Jun-12, 09:09   #7
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sadamman 

Joined: Jan '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 1204
What does he expect when he calls a raise with 78 off. I hate moody idiots like that. No right to be angry there. He got what was coming to him. Well played though.

     
  12-Jun-12, 10:15   #8
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occultum 
Joined: Aug '11
Location: Portugal
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 232
It's hard to with that club on the river .. it's hard to say without hand history and a read on the opponent that you had. But still i think i would get really annoyed with the river card and convince myself to fold to his bet .. it's one of those gutsy calls like you said that can go very well or very bad. Hard situation that went well to you .. well done.

     
  12-Jun-12, 10:58   #9
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Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4764
I think you both played bad on that hand, but, taking in consideration what you posted before you showed this hand (those awesome results in three tourneys summing more than $650 in prizes), i think you should keep playing the same way you are doing until now, at least at PKR, it’s giving nice profits!

     
  12-Jun-12, 14:15   #10
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10011
Another good hit at PKR you had there.
It seems you are getting regular to the winnings, and its a nice thing to see,
since on top of it you are a BRM member Smile
Well done on your winnings again battle87, wish you even better prizes in the future.

     
  12-Jun-12, 16:35   #11
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uhhcallmi 

Joined: Mar '12
Location: Netherlands
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 587
Great Job ..!!!!!!

i see a potential pro in u ,,although ,small field sizes...3 final tables , a1rst and a second place,,

are pretty good...if i'll play PKR in the future ,,although i don't like that site..ill be watching out 4u..

Do u also rock at cashgames??? Question Question

     
  12-Jun-12, 17:19   #12
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
Wow, not thats a really nice start on PKR if you ask me, i mean for such a short period of time i guess you also had a bit of luck but very, very nice run indeed Big Smile

Know just make sure to keep us posted with your future evolution, i'm really looking forward to your results Blink

     
  12-Jun-12, 17:43   #13
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Battle87 
Joined: Aug '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 157
Posted by uhhcallmi:
Great Job ..!!!!!!

i see a potential pro in u ,,although ,small field sizes...3 final tables , a1rst and a second place,,

are pretty good...if i'll play PKR in the future ,,although i don't like that site..ill be watching out 4u..

Do u also rock at cashgames??? Question Question


Live cash games I do rock, online I really really suck at them most of the time. I do look out for fish who go crazy, but I prefer MTT for some reason my playstyle works better in mtt. I didn't like pkr at start eather, thought the software was to slow for real cash, but now I'm really enjoying it there. Need to work out some big kinks in my online cash games.

     
  12-Jun-12, 18:39   #14
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
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Posts: 1854
As for the hand and the chat,he's kinda right,the call or the way you played the hand isnt really great,but obv. no need to flame like this becuase his (also terrible) bluff went wrong Big Smile
A better line to play this hand is to bet/fold the river. By checking to him you give him the initiative to make a bet like this and to get you in trouble,while if you make a small bet he will just call unless he has,say,Q high flush at the least. So betting ~1/3 of the pot will save you chips longterm vs. most flush combos,and also may fold out some better hands like weak 2 pairs,since your bet will look like a value bet of a medium or high flush (depending on your betting pattern).

As for the call,it's probably a -EV call longterm,you need to win 50% to win to make it a profitable call longterm in terms of Chip EV,which I'm not sure we have.Sure his bet looks like a bluff,but bad players usually do these bets with the nuts because they think it's the max. value play.
The argument of "I was right" (what you typed) is just partly true.
Of course,here in this example you did a great call,but you always have to think in terms of his whole range instead of the specific hand he has,and as for his river-pot-betting range I'm fairly sure we are behind most of the time.
And besides,with 3 left @ the FT we also have to have some ICM considerations,which will have to make us tighter than chip EV,so even if you do think you have 50% chance of winning here (which would be a breakeven-play longterm to call the river bet),you would have to fold,going by payout maths.

Nice hand to analyze tho Smile

     
  12-Jun-12, 19:36   #15
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Battle87 
Joined: Aug '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 157
Posted by BeMyATMplz:
As for the hand and the chat,he's kinda right,the call or the way you played the hand isnt really great,but obv. no need to flame like this becuase his (also terrible) bluff went wrong Big Smile
A better line to play this hand is to bet/fold the river. By checking to him you give him the initiative to make a bet like this and to get you in trouble,while if you make a small bet he will just call unless he has,say,Q high flush at the least. So betting ~1/3 of the pot will save you chips longterm vs. most flush combos,and also may fold out some better hands like weak 2 pairs,since your bet will look like a value bet of a medium or high flush (depending on your betting pattern).

As for the call,it's probably a -EV call longterm,you need to win 50% to win to make it a profitable call longterm in terms of Chip EV,which I'm not sure we have.Sure his bet looks like a bluff,but bad players usually do these bets with the nuts because they think it's the max. value play.
The argument of "I was right" (what you typed) is just partly true.
Of course,here in this example you did a great call,but you always have to think in terms of his whole range instead of the specific hand he has,and as for his river-pot-betting range I'm fairly sure we are behind most of the time.
And besides,with 3 left @ the FT we also have to have some ICM considerations,which will have to make us tighter than chip EV,so even if you do think you have 50% chance of winning here (which would be a breakeven-play longterm to call the river bet),you would have to fold,going by payout maths.

Nice hand to analyze tho Smile



True, that is something I know, and in hinesight a river bet would be a better play. The edge that gave me the futs to call is that I was playign at the same table with him for a long time and he has a reppetetive bluff/value pattern, he does know how to bet for value. And trust me this is something I will rarely do, I prefer folding in that kinda hand, gafe up on it on the turn tbh tought I was behind, untill his river bet, dunno but it just didn't feel like he had much at all, in my head it just didn't make sense in a low buy in mtt I would never do it, because like you said alot of players in that tourneys do idd think pot size bet is max value.

     
  13-Jun-12, 00:41   #16
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
Hey Battle87 - add me on PKR - my name on there is the same 'jessthehuman'

GL getting more good results - might see you at some final tables soon Blink

     
  13-Jun-12, 04:51   #17
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Battle87 
Joined: Aug '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 157
Posted by jessthehuman:
Hey Battle87 - add me on PKR - my name on there is the same 'jessthehuman'

GL getting more good results - might see you at some final tables soon Blink


Done

     
  13-Jun-12, 04:55   #18
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 6197
Posted by Battle87:
Posted by jessthehuman:
Hey Battle87 - add me on PKR - my name on there is the same 'jessthehuman'

GL getting more good results - might see you at some final tables soon Blink


Done


I am Jess his brother so you can add me too, its domdy.

     
  13-Jun-12, 04:58   #19
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Battle87 
Joined: Aug '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 157
Posted by doomdy:
Posted by Battle87:
Posted by jessthehuman:
Hey Battle87 - add me on PKR - my name on there is the same 'jessthehuman'

GL getting more good results - might see you at some final tables soon Blink


Done


I am Jess his brother so you can add me too, its domdy.


done, but euhm he's in autralia and you're from the netherlands. Long lost brothers? Tongue

     
  13-Jun-12, 05:00   #20
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 6197
Posted by Battle87:
Posted by doomdy:
Posted by Battle87:
Posted by jessthehuman:
Hey Battle87 - add me on PKR - my name on there is the same 'jessthehuman'

GL getting more good results - might see you at some final tables soon Blink


Done


I am Jess his brother so you can add me too, its domdy.


done, but euhm he's in autralia and you're from the netherlands. Long lost brothers? Tongue


Jess was allways on the run Cool

     
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