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Ugh, seriously FML. Playing Zoom $2NLHE today, put in 2k hands, and had a pretty awkward session. Ended up running 3.5BB/100, which I guess I can't complain about, but It was one of those "fucking calliing stations always make their draw" sessions, where I would have likely run a lot better if not for luck boxes.
So anyways, this hand was the highlight of my session:
Table 'McNaught' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: Set Out ($3.59 in chips) Seat 2: sipa70 ($3.59 in chips) Seat 3: IngvarVIK ($2.69 in chips) Seat 4: LuckyVieira ($1.06 in chips) Seat 5: DmitriiBakar ($1.03 in chips) Seat 6: Sevendeuce79 ($2.04 in chips) Seat 7: saulock ($1.89 in chips) Seat 8: batyaKlim ($3.56 in chips) Seat 9: hogehogehoge ($1.01 in chips) sipa70: posts small blind $0.01 IngvarVIK: posts big blind $0.02 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Sevendeuce79 [Jh Jd] LuckyVieira: folds DmitriiBakar: folds Sevendeuce79: raises $0.04 to $0.06 saulock: folds batyaKlim: folds hogehogehoge: folds Set Out: calls $0.06 sipa70: calls $0.05 IngvarVIK: folds *** FLOP *** [8s Js 5c] sipa70: checks Sevendeuce79: bets $0.08 Set Out: calls $0.08 sipa70: calls $0.08 *** TURN *** [8s Js 5c] sipa70: checks Sevendeuce79: checks Set Out: checks *** RIVER *** [8s Js 5c 8d] sipa70: bets $0.42 Sevendeuce79: raises $0.76 to $1.18 Set Out: raises $1.62 to $2.80 sipa70: folds Sevendeuce79: calls $0.72 and is all-in Uncalled bet ($0.90) returned to Set Out *** SHOW DOWN *** Set Out: shows [8h 8c] (four of a kind, Eights) Sevendeuce79: shows [Jh Jd] (a full house, Jacks full of Eights) Set Out collected $4.50 from pot Set Out is disconnected *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $4.66 | Rake $0.16 Board [8s Js 5c 8d 5h] Seat 1: Set Out (button) showed [8h 8c] and won ($4.50) with four of a kind, Eights Seat 2: sipa70 (small blind) folded on the River Seat 3: IngvarVIK (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 4: LuckyVieira folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: DmitriiBakar folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Sevendeuce79 showed [Jh Jd] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Eights Seat 7: saulock folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: batyaKlim folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: hogehogehoge folded before Flop (didn't bet)
About the only thing I would think I could have done a bit better, is to bet more on the flop, probably around .12 as opposed to .08. Other than that, I think it was fine. My jaw hit the floor when we rolled over our hands. Figured him for a suited A$ or something stupid like Q8s/j8s.
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I don't think your opponent will fold even you bet all in on the flop. I am sure he will call cos to many player bet, raise or all in when hit two pair on flop, min. is check and bet ( prepare a trap ). he had tris! maybe he figured you had JJ , but still a lot possibility of your hand so he think he win except you had JJ ( if he didn't catch quard).
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Nothing you can do, offcourse chips go to the middle both oponents, no-one can fold here especially after turn card is a totally not scared for you (we never ever expect he hold 88 right?).
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Hi retribution.
You play the hand in a perfect way. the size of bet in flop, as you say, can be a little high. About your session, win 7bb/100 is an excellent one. Without these calling-station sure you win less, we usually only remember the hands when the complete the draw but no when they fold in river .
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Only doyle brunson would fold the river bet [Set Out: raises $1.62 to $2.80]
ive seen him laying down a set sixes on the flop,,,opponent indeed had also a six in hand and 2 on the board,,with a higher kicker...reraises to Doyle and he simply folds...losing his initial 15K$ raise,,
that's what i call Discipline...only question i ask myself ,,how many times u gonna fold in such situation?? and what's the % of this being a good decission???
very hard!!!! anyway..i learned from this at least ,that if u don't call in these spots ...u will have money and chips to play on further hands,,instead of going all inn and broke there..
This was a life game against Vanessa Selbst and he was playing her for hours,, so must have had a read on her..but online,,,just fresh at the tables its a no-no fold i guess.
Also wonder if D.Brunson would fold such hand online??
well anyway...i got kicked out 2 days ago...with K-K facing 4-4 and hitting Quad 4's at river..
3 players paid...i get kicked out in 4rth lplace...THANK YOU POKERGODS,,for such set-up
don't know if its the correct play ,but lately i check or flatcall if i hit a low or medium set,,when there are possible straights and flushes on the board,,,
Wanna see the nuts for myself,,,and then try induce my opponent for all inn.
have gone all-inn too many times seeing a set on the flop and get wacked at river by runner,runner flush..or in this case facing quead 8's.
------------ MAYBE if ur running good ,,just go for the aggressive line ,,and when u run bad...chose a safer path
but that's scared poker... so, a comment bye a real pro would help us out more in this case..
I myself ,played some cashtables yesterday and won....strategy was to not call any aggressor who
makes a reraise on my raise...and result was very ok..have layed down pocket 7's and 9's but won all
other hands i got into...
2 Days before i called with all good hands i had ,,and had only lost money...opponents hit their nuts on later streets or just holding K-K or A-A,,,where my toppairs all where dominated and lost.
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Hi retribution,
With trips J and no flush/straight possible i wouldn't have folded my hand either. You beat a lot of hands and only lose from 88 & 55.
Still i would have played the hand different but still would have lost my stack
Your remark on the flop is correct, you should have bet more on the flop, I guess + 0.15. Not only for value but also to protect your hand against 2 players (there are 2 spades on the board).
I don't understand why you didn't bet on the turn. If they are calling stations and have hit something or have a straight/flush draw they will call. Again for value & protection.
On the river his reraise is very strong and suspicious but hey who will fold his full house ???
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Posted by SuperpokefA: I don't understand why you didn't bet on the turn. If they are calling stations and have hit something or have a straight/flush draw they will call. Again for value & protection.
Because I had a "made hand" on the turn, and wanted to give anyone on a draw a chance to hit. I don't think I lost any value by checking the turn. Since I'm out of position, I check hoping i can induce a bluff.
To answer the other guys question, I'm never folding that spot. Chances of running into 88 or 55 is mathematically minute, so the odd time I DO run into quads, i'm still making money in the long run.
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Yep the check on the turn is understandable i guess since your ofp your waiting for a bet to raise or call .. at that point you obv think you have the nuts and your just trying to extract more value from your opponents and don't want to lose the action by betting the turn.
Thats a really bad moment for you there you played the hand well no way you could get away from that.. even if people say player X or Y would be the only one to fold this.. like you said in the long run your winning money so .. someone who doesnt call that won't make any money tbh.. Really insane hand man good to know that it was a profitable session which means you didn't tilted your way to the floor =)
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Nothing you can do there of course,bet much more on the flop though,and def. bet turn as well. On both streets there are draw-possibilities which people are willing to pay for alot @ these stakes,so on the flop I'd probably bet $0.15 (every flushdraw/straightdraw/pair will at least call this one street therrer,even for this sized bet). On the turn I really dont understand the check,you wanna get value from flushdraws there that might miss on the river and thus wouldnt get you any value on the river (if they miss),or a hand like T9 will also call another 2/3 pot bet. Of course in this scenario it doesnt change things at all,but with a better result for you in such spots these value bets will increase your winrate dramatically
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Only thing that pokes my eye, is preflop raise. 3* BB is too small for me, but ofcourse i dont think he would fold to 8c raise either. After flop i dont see chance for folding in any time, i mean, you cant assume quads.
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Nothing you can do except limit your losses, you could do a mad pre flop donk bet of 0.50-1.00 or just shove. But thats not really something you want to be doing in a cash game, and at these limits he could still call with air. Plus if you actually done it that way you could only really give up, on the flop to avoid such trauma. But after that flop, your both all in, because he is going to go all in either way.
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No one should talk about how we could have avoided going broke there or something. We are very happy to be in this spot here,just because we got a cooler in this hand doesnt mean we dont like the spot overall,we should love the spot. Alot of the time we are the one stacking villain here who will call with any 8x combo and probably any 5x combo here,his range has 2374837492842094988 (obv. made up) different combos of which only 2 beat us,so yeah,no need to talk about not getting it in or how we could have avoided losing our whole stack here
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Posted by sadamman:
Posted by BeMyATMplz: No one should talk about how we could have avoided going broke there or something
Ye man I was just saying if hes bothered about it, theres not many ways he could have avoided it. It would take a very unorthodox play to avoid.
Yeah wasnt talking just about you Ive seen like 5 posts in here that were talking about limiting losses or "if we did this he would have folded" or something. This spot is just something we should be happydancing about to be in it on the river,so we shouldnt think about what we could have done to get him to fold (there is nothing that would have made him fold anyways),thats all I'm saying
How could you avoid going broke with top set then full house on the turn when the guy with mid set makes his quad... There's absolutly no way! Like BeMyATMplz said this spot is exactly the spot you want to be in, so knowing that why would you want to even try to limit your value bets or overbet for no reason pushing people out of the hand?
Also I doubt that playing JJ crazy pre flop is a good idea for zoom poker. All people do is wait for QQ KK and AA.
So yup, this hand is pretty much the definition of a cooler If you were playing 1/2$ in a casino you would've lost 200 bucks minimum
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Even if you had made a bigger bet, he would always give you the call, the future of this hand was defined since the begining, he would never fold the triple 8’s. Your bad luck was in the turn…
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It was a very unlucky hand, but situations like this happen. I dont think so that betting more in the flop would have changed things. I would have called an all in there with the 8's if i had them Better luck next time.
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