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  15-Jun-12, 20:04   #1
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Battle87 
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Table #45468184 - Tournament #26049188 Table #33
Starting Hand #2106265694
Start time of hand: 15 Jun 2012 19:48:20
Last Hand #2106265128
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now 50 / 100
Button is at seat 3
Seat 1: Aitchi - 4,095
Seat 2: AnalyzerX7 - 7,050
Seat 3: Claudiohosp - 4,834
Seat 4: yannickvr - 4,890
Seat 5: kellydiane - 5,100
Seat 6: rotie - 4,600
Shuffling Deck
Moving Button to seat 4
kellydiane posts small blind (50)
rotie posts big blind (100)
Dealing Cards
Dealing [Q c][J c] to yannickvr
Aitchi calls 100
AnalyzerX7 calls 100
Claudiohosp folds
yannickvr raises to 400
kellydiane folds
rotie folds
Aitchi calls 400
AnalyzerX7 calls 400
Pot sizes: 1,350
Dealing Flop [T c][K c][Q s]
Aitchi checks
AnalyzerX7 bets 6,650 (all-in)
yannickvr calls 4,490 (all-in)
Aitchi calls 3,695 (all-in)
Returning 2,160 to AnalyzerX7 uncalled
Pot sizes: 12,435
Pot sizes: 1,590
Aitchi shows [A c][9 d]
AnalyzerX7 shows [T s][K d]
yannickvr shows [Q c][J c]
Dealing Turn [A h]
Pot sizes: 12,435
Pot sizes: 1,590
Dealing River [Q h]
Pot sizes: 12,435
Pot sizes: 1,590
AnalyzerX7 has Two Pairs: Kings, Queens
yannickvr has Straight, Ace high
yannickvr wins 1,590 from side pot #1 with: Straight, Ace high
yannickvr wins 12,435 with: Straight, Ace high
AnalyzerX7: typical fckin donkeys
Seat 1: Aitchi - 0
Seat 2: AnalyzerX7 - 2,160
Seat 3: Claudiohosp - 4,834
Seat 4: yannickvr - 14,025
Seat 5: kellydiane - 5,050
Seat 6: rotie - 4,500
End of Hand #2106265694


rotie: karrma you say
AnalyzerX7: flop 2 pair and lose
AnalyzerX7: its PKR

AnalyzerX7: i played it the best way i could
yannickvr: like I'm gonna fold that hand on the flop don't be stupid to insta shove
AnalyzerX7: shoved and donkey still called so
rotie: i lost that way yesterday, easy
AnalyzerX7: right child
AnalyzerX7: you had a draw
AnalyzerX7: i had a made hand
AnalyzerX7: lets keep doing that
rotie: what?
AnalyzerX7: so i can win my chips
yannickvr: no you didn't
yannickvr: learn to play
AnalyzerX7: I had 2 pair you fckin moron
AnalyzerX7: are you half an idiot?:
rotie: yesterday lol
AnalyzerX7: you had a flush and straight draw
AnalyzerX7: keep my chips warm
yannickvr: if oyu made a normal bet you would have had the chance to fold on the turn
AnalyzerX7: right it was MY ERROR
AnalyzerX7: not your luck
yannickvr: idd it was
AnalyzerX7: nice poker child
AnalyzerX7 calls 100
rotie: i don't know what are you talking about
yannickvr: calculate my outs moron
AnalyzerX7: I flop 2 pair and i have to slow down
AnalyzerX7: incase you suck out
rotie: it sounds like you're mad
AnalyzerX7: learn to play idiot
AnalyzerX7: i know you had a monster draw
AnalyzerX7: still a draw
yannickvr: two pair on that board wasn't even the nuts
AnalyzerX7: stfu ignore list on
AnalyzerX7: I already put him on ignore
yannickvr: so angry because you're playing with your last 2 bucks?
Claudiohosp: dam you too
AnalyzerX7: he cant add 1+1 = 2
kellydiane: oh behave yerself
Claudiohosp: two
kellydiane calls 100
AnalyzerX7: in his head he thought he flopped the nuts lol
AnalyzerX7: so cute
rotie: i thought people like poker
AnalyzerX7: OMG LOOK GAIZ I HAVE SO MANY OUTS!!
AnalyzerX7: ALL IN!!!
AnalyzerX7: lol luckbox
yannickvr: people like you are funny
AnalyzerX7: i did calculate your odds
AnalyzerX7: 32%
yannickvr: no one is ever gonna fold that on a scared shove
AnalyzerX7: vs 68%
AnalyzerX7: i cant read what you say but remember ill be there next time
AnalyzerX7: to hit the 68%


In my opinion there is no way I could have folded this kind of draw, and his play was just moronic and scared.

     
  15-Jun-12, 20:27   #2
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B1gfoot 

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Well, you can fold, but you can also flip, just got to ask yourself one question, do you feel lucky, AnalyzerX7 calcs are wrong.
Personally, when in a tourn I don't like flipping too early as normally the stack sizes are not worth the risk IMO, and feel an agro player will hang himself in situations like this were I hold better dominating cards, much prefer to have a made hand.
The chat is more exciting IMO. Big Smile

     
  15-Jun-12, 22:46   #3
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Greenmohave 

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I got to wrapped up in the chatting to follow the hand, but I'm going to read through it one more time to see what I would have done in that scenario.
Actually he played as normal as could be expected. Yeah, player chased the straight, but he had open end. not something I'd do, but it happens all the time. I've lost to worse hands!

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I got to wrapped up in the chatting to follow the hand, but I'm going to read through it one more time to see what I would have done in that scenario.
Actually he played as normal as could be expected. Yeah, player chased the straight, but he had open end. not something I'd do, but it happens all the time. I've lost to worse hands!

     
  16-Jun-12, 00:29   #4
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Hiesy 
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I think i would have folded there cause you have to risk your tournament with a hand you are normally behind on the flop ok you have outs but really risk your tournament on flush and str8 draw??? Ok you can make the call but i would have folded Smile

     
  16-Jun-12, 01:25   #5
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jessthehuman 

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you were the favorite of all three hands and would have been stupid to do anything except get it all in.

FWIW - the guy you were arguing with is a complete moron, I got into an argument with him a couple days ago. He has NFI.

Attached Imagesodds.jpg

     
  16-Jun-12, 01:27   #6
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retribution 

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I love how villain open limps and then calls a raise with K10o and calls YOU a donk.

Ran it through an equity calculator. Originally I thought this was a heads up pot, and just off the top of my head figured you were MILES ahead, but then I saw it was 3-way. Still turns out you were ahead, but the 3rd player somewhat skews the results:

Holdem Hi: 100,000 sampled boards containing Q K T
Player 1 (Q J): win 48.60% lose 50.37% tie 1.04% EV 0.489
Player 2 (T K): win 40.33% lose 58.63% tie 1.04% EV 0.407
Player 3 (A 9): win 10.03% lose 88.93% tie 1.04% EV 0.104

So yes, you're play was 100% correct. His overbet MAY have killed your pot odds, but since you're ahead when the chips get in, it's irrelevant. You were the favorite to win, and you played the hand just fine. He's the one that played badly by open-limping, then calling a raise OOP and then donk-shoving on the flop. I LOVE morons like that, I just laugh and mock them in chat Smile

For shits and giggles I ran it as if it was 2-handed, and here's what I got:

Holdem Hi: 100,000 sampled boards containing Q K T
Player 1 (Q J): win 54.51% lose 43.63% tie 1.85% EV 0.554
Player 2 (T K): win 43.63% lose 54.51% tie 1.85% EV 0.446

So heads up you're ahead by even more. Definitely a good call.

     
  16-Jun-12, 01:30   #7
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jessthehuman 

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You were a ~49% fav on that flop vs 3 opponents, Analyzer was ~40%. Would have been -EV to do anything other then get all your chips in.

Interestingly - it was +EV for Analyzer as well, because of the idiot call with A9 bloating the pot for everyone.

If you remove the third (tard) hand (A9) then you were a ~55% favourite to win vs Analzyer who was ~44% to win (with a little tie equity thrown in).

     
  16-Jun-12, 02:52   #8
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ayaraled 
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Good call. With 3 in the pot.Pot was big and you got a very strong draw...love the chat though.very nice. Big Smile .did anaylyzer get his chip back?

     
  16-Jun-12, 05:00   #9
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doomdy 

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Allthough i kinda hate these spots so early yeh you have to ship it.

     
  16-Jun-12, 06:34   #10
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Chartoule 
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Hi guys!

Limp/call KT... what a player. an thousands like that are playing in the sites. Sick. No matters if the tournament is for chips we can see them playing like that in $$ tournaments. More sick.

     
  16-Jun-12, 07:26   #11
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jessthehuman 

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Posted by Chartoule:
Hi guys!

Limp/call KT... what a player. an thousands like that are playing in the sites. Sick. No matters if the tournament is for chips we can see them playing like that in $$ tournaments. More sick.


which is good news !

     
  16-Jun-12, 07:58   #12
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Serpang 
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Of course all in on flop is correct. You had 15 outs ,lol. 9 card clubs, 3 Aces and 3 nine ( exclude clubs- close card). I don't like use percentage ( not remember,lol ). That's good hand to play draw. But don't forget, in bad luck day you possible lost it many time ( maybe always ).

Do you do the same in bubble situation? mobster? I will not, except I have strong feeling !!!

     
  16-Jun-12, 09:13   #13
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BeMyATMplz 
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Just limp behind preflop,or if anything raise bigger than 4x.
By 4x'ing after 2 limpers all you do is increasing the pot by risking more chips,because they will almost certainly both call,with the level of play of the opposition in these tourneys you will get enough value from a small pot (preflop) pot as well,so there is no need to make it bigger like this Blink
About the flop play everything's been said by now,easy call Blink

     
  16-Jun-12, 09:32   #14
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doomdy 

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Allthough i like raise when i ener a hand, imo there is nothing bad with enter this hand with a limp like BeMyATMplz said in previous post.

     
  16-Jun-12, 11:29   #15
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shokaku 

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Maybe I am a nit, but I wouldn't get involved with this hand in this situation with already two limpers before me. After the flop it is a no brainer call.

And nice play from the KT guy. Keep on wasting your chips buddy. Thumbs Up

     
  16-Jun-12, 11:37   #16
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BeMyATMplz 
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Posted by shokaku:
Maybe I am a nit, but I wouldn't get involved with this hand in this situation with already two limpers before me. After the flop it is a no brainer call.

And nice play from the KT guy. Keep on wasting your chips buddy. Thumbs Up


Yeah folding pre is way,way too nitty here,even if we can afford folding loads of hands with our stack & it still being pre ante this is a very +EV spot,playing QJs multiway vs. weak opponents,so definitely not folding here ever in this specific spot Blink

     
  16-Jun-12, 11:56   #17
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Battle87 
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Posted by ayaraled:
Good call. With 3 in the pot.Pot was big and you got a very strong draw...love the chat though.very nice. Big Smile .did anaylyzer get his chip back?


nah he lost it with pocket 55 against A7 suited against someone else

     
  16-Jun-12, 12:32   #18
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SuperpokefA 
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If you have a straight & a flushdraw you almost have the nuts.
in a cash game yoçu have to call
In a tournament you risk to be eliminatedbut with such a hand it's hard to fold.
If you win you become a big stack

surely this is no donk play !!!

Wat een kieken die analyzerx7

     
  16-Jun-12, 13:28   #19
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doomdy 

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Posted by shokaku:
Maybe I am a nit, but I wouldn't get involved with this hand in this situation with already two limpers before me. After the flop it is a no brainer call.


Nothing wrong with a nit, full ring i can fold this one early stage, this is 6max, but i think i prefer to limp this so early stage.

     
  16-Jun-12, 17:48   #20
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damosk 
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Early on and with the odds you had, with the cards you had the all in for the draw looks like a real coinflip, but it also depends on what you knew about the other players. It would also depend on what your entry fee had been to some other extent.

I do love the way people get pi**ed when they lose a hand they had no rifght playing and even less right playing it the way your opponent did, and start trying to rip into you. HAve the last laugh and take more from him,later after ignoring him!

     
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