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Well then i must be the only 1 in history to be up at BJ ???
I have 2 card counting books but they are only effective if you have 2 decks maybe 3 or 4 but more then the edge is less and its far more difficult to beat
And thats why there are almost no places who deal 2 decks...maybe Vegas or something
You may think i am stupid thats your opionion ...only thing is you are wrong
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When talking about unbeatable, we are talking a very small margin. There are plenty of versions and if you find the right table the house edge is around .01% And also people are forgetting that you can play tournaments, this makes BJ beatable, sort of. You can also play promotional games, +Ev, OK that's not beating the game.
The argument of card counting to beat the game is invalid as it is cheating , it almost like saying you can beat the game because the dealer flashes the cards.
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i'm not sure you can say that anything is rigged, or on the contrary say that anything is clear and trustworthy- this especially goes to online gambling, and even on broader scale- online money transactions. i think if you want to feel safe- play freerolls, look for no deposit bonuses, or start with small bankroll and try to build it up- if you fail, start over with the small one again, or go down to free play
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But this is not about poker freerolls its about online blackjack And pochui you are right to say
i'm not sure you can say that anything is rigged, or on the contrary say that anything is clear and trustworthy- this especially goes to online gambling, and even on broader scale- online money transactions
That means that anyone who knows this and still plays is clearly not that smart Only if you totally convinced its not rigged in some way you should play
And for me the only way to go with blackjack is live .. online or offline Then ONLY you know the cards that you get are real
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Posted by B1gfoot:
The argument of card counting to beat the game is invalid as it is cheating , it almost like saying you can beat the game because the dealer flashes the cards.
Interestingly enough - I very recently looked into this. It is actually NOT cheating and it's NOT against any casino rules. If you actually call a casino and ask them if you're allowed to count cards - they will say yes - but it's not encouraged.
It literally is not cheating - it's not against the black-jack rules, the casino rules, or the law. Basically what happens is this - a casino is a private enterprise and they reserve the right the eject anyone they choose - so while it's not cheating - you don't have to be cheating to be kicked out. So basically - if they decide that somebody is effectively card counting and winning a lot of money - you'll be pulled aside and asked to leave the venue / probably told not to come back too. But you won't be accused of anything and you won't have to pay anything back.
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by B1gfoot:
The argument of card counting to beat the game is invalid as it is cheating , it almost like saying you can beat the game because the dealer flashes the cards.
Interestingly enough - I very recently looked into this. It is actually NOT cheating and it's NOT against any casino rules. If you actually call a casino and ask them if you're allowed to count cards - they will say yes - but it's not encouraged.
It literally is not cheating - it's not against the black-jack rules, the casino rules, or the law. Basically what happens is this - a casino is a private enterprise and they reserve the right the eject anyone they choose - so while it's not cheating - you don't have to be cheating to be kicked out. So basically - if they decide that somebody is effectively card counting and winning a lot of money - you'll be pulled aside and asked to leave the venue / probably told not to come back too. But you won't be accused of anything and you won't have to pay anything back.
Card counting, U have too in BlackJack/Pontoon counting too House Limit (12<>17(18 sometimes)) Too 21 AJ (blackJack & four them)(x payout), 7+7+7 etc and then there's splitting pairs AA etc The goal is too count cards TOO 21 from 52 cards (pack) etc ( abit like, poker (52 cards in pack) to make the best draw by not going bust against dealer.
I like BlackJack I actually learn 't it before Classic poker(5 card draw) about 4yr's old, used too think AJ was thee nutz when started playing 5 card draw
PS; bit off topic but has any anyone played STOP THE BUS (31(1-2 packs depends on # player's)) & u have 3 chips etc(we used to use match sticks), and the lowest hand had to put in chip, then next hand & so on intill- Winner was the last one with a chip game
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Posted by remco2504: Well then i must be the only 1 in history to be up at BJ ???
You aren’t the only one but you belong to a minority, even shorter if you have made enough to request a withdrawal only using the bonus and without getting to do a deposit first. Some have the obligation to do a deposit, but if you complete all the requisits to do a withdrawal without using your real money, than you are part of a very strict elite.
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PS; bit off topic but has any anyone played STOP THE BUS (31(1-2 packs depends on # player's)) & u have 3 chips etc(we used to use match sticks), and the lowest hand had to put in chip, then next hand & so on intill- Winner was the last one with a chip game
There's a few versions We called it STOP THE BUS (but it says RIDE THE BUS)
"the banking game 31, which is similar to 21 except that the object is to draw cards adding as near as possible to 31 without exceeding it." http://www.pagat.com/draw/scat.html
Variations Rarely, people play that any straight-flush (three cards of the same suit in sequence) is worth 30 (except for A-K-Q, which is 31).
Some play that there is a minimum score with which you are allowed to knock - for example 17, 19 or 21.
Ride the Bus has a different way of keeping track of wins and losses. All players start out "seated" at the back of the bus. Players who lose a hand move toward the front in a sequence. The sequence is usually: first, you stand at the back of the bus, then you are in the middle of the bus, then at the front of the bus, then you are on the stairs, then you are off the bus. Players who are no longer "riding the bus" are out of play. Winning a hand simply keeps your position; you do not move back a step if you win a hand.
The scoring system of Ride the Bus can be changed to suit how many hands people want to play. Because this game is very casual, this often happens in the middle of the game by mutual agreement of all players; for example, a player who is "on the stairs" loses another hand and would normally be out of play, but since everyone is having so much fun, it is declared that the player is "on the second step" or "asking the driver to stop" instead of out. If extra levels are introduced, they apply to all players." http://www.pagat.com/draw/scat.html
"Reconstruction -- One-and-Thirty
This old game can be thought of as an early predecessor to Blackjack; the games are quite similar in flavor. The objective is to get a combination of cards as close to 31 as possible without going over. It is quite easy and quick to teach, largely a gambling game with just a bit of skill involved. For a very slightly more complex variant, see Bone-Ace, below." http://jducoeur.org/game-hist/game-recon-boneace.html
Looks like we played mixture of the variations LOL
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@jessthehuman QFT, making BJ very beatable and proven. Also tried to find what edge % you get card counting, and found some other interesting stuff... Cut short.
1 deck stands on soft 17 double after split double on any first 2 cards resplit to 4 hands resplit aces hit split aces Surrender BJ pays 3 to 2
House edge -.35
There are varients of above to stay profitable. Ie more commen.
1 deck(ok hard to find) dealer stands on soft 17 double after split re spit to 2 hands no re-spilt of aces no hit on split aces no surrender BJ pays 3 to 2
House edge -.009
Yes very small edge to the player, it is possible to stay in profit up to 6 decks. Add card counting and I'm sure some of the very available games are beatable.
Some juice to how rules effect the game of eight decks
dealer stands on soft 17 player may double on anyfirst two cards player can double after splitting player may split to 4 hands
Blackjacks pay 2 to 1 +2.27% Triple down on any two cards +1.64% Five card Charlie 1 +1.46% Optional half win for 5-card Charlie 9 +0.77% Suited blackjacks pay 2 to 1 +0.57% Player 21-points is automatic winner +0.54% Single deck +0.48% Early surrender against ace +0.39% Player 21 vs. dealer blackjack is a push +0.35% 5-card win pays 3-2 +0.33% Blackjack tie pays 3 to 2 +0.32% Early surrender against ten +0.24% 5-card (or more) 21 automatically pays 2 to 1 +0.24% Player may double on any number of cards +0.23% Ace and 10 after splitting aces is a blackjack +0.19% Player may draw to split aces +0.19% Double deck +0.19% Six card Charlie1 +0.16% Player may double, double for less, or stand after splitting aces +0.15% Tied blackjack pays 1-2 +0.11% Double Down Rescue +0.10% 6-card win pays 2-1 +0.09% Player may resplit aces +0.08% Player may double or stand after splitting aces +0.08% Late surrender against ten +0.07% Four decks +0.06% 7-card win pays 5-1 +0.05% 777 pays 3 to 1 automatically +0.05% Five decks +0.03% 777 pays 2 to 1 automatically +0.03% Six decks +0.02% Seven card Charlie1 +0.01% Late surrender against ace +0.00% Dealer must stop with six cards +0.00% Late surrender after splitting +0.00% Split to only 3 hands -0.01% No-peek: ace showing2 -0.01% BB+13 -0.01% Dealer secretly goes first5 -0.02% OBBO4 -0.03% European no hole card (splitting)7 -0.03% European no hole card (doubling)7 -0.08% Player may double on 9-11 only -0.09% No-peek: ten showing6 -0.10% Player may not resplit -0.10% European no hole card7 -0.11% Player may not double after splitting -0.14% Player may double on 10,11 only -0.18% Player may not split aces -0.18% Dealer hits on soft 17 -0.22% Blackkjack pays 7-5 -0.45% Blackjack pays 6-5 -1.39% Player loses 17 ties -1.87% Blackjacks pay 1 to 1 -2.27% Player loses 17,18 ties -3.58% Player loses 17-19 ties -5.30% Dealer bust on 22 is a push8 -6.91% Player loses 17-20 ties -8.38% Player loses 17-21 ties -8.86%
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Posted by Fakiry:
Posted by remco2504: Well then i must be the only 1 in history to be up at BJ ???
You aren�t the only one but you belong to a minority, even shorter if you have made enough to request a withdrawal only using the bonus and without getting to do a deposit first. Some have the obligation to do a deposit, but if you complete all the requisits to do a withdrawal without using your real money, than you are part of a very strict elite.
Well i have never won anything with a ND casinobonus The wins i talk about are from real deposits always
Off course i lost many times 2 But i have had a few big wins on live BJ
I probaly lost more hands then i won but because i bet crazy sometimes and get lucky i got some huge wins
I for example bet 10 euro to 50 euro for a while but my biggest bet i ever won was a 2K bet and then a split with a win so 4 K win...BUT i also lost big bets but still i made some huge withdrawels from BJ so on that game i am up
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