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If I were to start playing in bigger buyin tournaments, what type do you consider to be the better ones to play? I generally play in $5.50 and lower with my primary focus being on SnG's.
I mess up my pol and wanted to add the following to the list:
3. Rebuy Tournaments 4. Guaranteed Freezeout tournaments 5. Stick to SnG's with Higher Buyins
Sorry for blowing the pole, but really do want your opinion as to what is my best bet.
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Posted by Greenmohave:
Sorry for blowing the pole
You blew the pole?
*poll
General advice seems to be stick to what you're good at.. so if you're going well in the SNGs maybe increase the limits you're playing and keep up the grind..
Rebuy tourneys are pretty fun too.. Just make sure you adjust your buyin limit accordingly - a $5 rebuy is more like a $20-$25 freeze-out.
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I'm with Jess about this: stick to what you're winning a; but I also add: stick to what you enjoy more. For most of us poker is fun so play what you find more funny.
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Try to build up your bankroll with the games you are good at (SNG) and use the winnings for some shots at the tourneys you would like to add to your games, to try if you enjoy them and to improve your play.
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(Starting with the joke) You’re sorry for blowing the pole??? Just that??? You just accelerated the global warming and now, in a few days, we will have to be covered in termic suits using oxygen bottles to keep playing online poker!!! Now serious, If I were you, being used to play only SnG, I would stick to that with higher buy-ins. You have already learned the concept of it and it’s now time to go to the tables where the real action happens. You will feel more uncomfortable, because of having more money in game, and you will firstly think how strange it seems that the others move like if they knew what cards you have in your hand. You will find better players and you will see less flops, meaning you will play less hands and those you play hardly will get to the showdown. There’s no more “pay the blind to see what comes on the flop”, if you go thinking like this you will lose your first games so fast that you will start thinking either the tables are rigged or that you are still not prepared for that type of action. The truth is, the game is much more well played at higher stakes.
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Try them all and see what you like and what suits your play. I hate rebuy games, takes an Hr before the game starts IMO. Bounty games are real fun, full of spewtard gamblers, action starts from the start and suits my LAG style. Never understood AI games, just spin the wheel. Freezeout are the classic game, no gimmicks, these are what I prefer to play when I have my tourn head on. SnG is a great stepping stone for tourns, its the same game just longer and you will have lots of final table experience, so when there should be able to cash big.
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Seems you're getting a bit tired of playing the same stuff all the time. In my opinion mtts are way more fun but then again much harder to make a buck also. I would say if you want to make a change for a while and aim to bigger targets u should play some tourneys with a buy-in smaller than what u usually spend on stgs ( just for bankroll sakes) but that give the biggest reward. some with a big guaranteed prize should be good. and if it doesnt really work out for you, can always go back to where youre comfortable without losing a fortune.
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like every1 seems to be saying, play what you feel you do best in, Im a MTT player at heart- but a losing one- tho I run well and usually get deep in. STTs are my fav now and have been turing a nice profit (which I lose on the MTTS lol) cash tbls usually screw me to. but thats me, do what works for you...follow good BRM, up a few buyins on the sitngos and see how you do, and a guaranteed freezeout is needed now and then- my 2bits gl
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by Greenmohave:
Sorry for blowing the pole
You blew the pole?
*poll
General advice seems to be stick to what you're good at.. so if you're going well in the SNGs maybe increase the limits you're playing and keep up the grind..
Rebuy tourneys are pretty fun too.. Just make sure you adjust your buyin limit accordingly - a $5 rebuy is more like a $20-$25 freeze-out.
Lol, and also I was wondering is 5 times the initial buyin a good estimate for how much you should be prepared to spend on all levels of rebuys? Even low stakes, like $1 buy in / rebuy? Or should you be prepared to spend more on low stakes (due to donkism) and less than $50 on say a $10 initial rebuy tourney.
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Posted by Arithmajik:
Lol, and also I was wondering is 5 times the initial buyin a good estimate for how much you should be prepared to spend on all levels of rebuys? Even low stakes, like $1 buy in / rebuy? Or should you be prepared to spend more on low stakes (due to donkism) and less than $50 on say a $10 initial rebuy tourney.
interesting question - but I would say it *should* average out about the same across all buyin limits. The reason being, after a certain amount of buyins - it becomes a lot more difficult to recover more than what you spent on entering the tournament.
In most rebuys I play, if you rebuy 4-6 times (including the addon) then you'll generally get your money back for a min-cash, however - once you push past the 6 rebuys, you start needing to get more than a min-cash just to get even your buyin(s) back.
I think you need to set a stop-loss on rebuys, regarding how many you're actually prepared to do.
In saying that - sometimes if in the bigger rebuy tournaments - say $20+ Rebuys, people can't actually afford to rebuy at all, or are otherwise hesitant to rebuy - in which case, the prizepool is less supportive of multiple rebuys because it isn't bloating like it should in a normal rebuy. However - this is generally covered by the tournaments GTD$ amount and you should be able to get a reasonable estimate of the total chips likely to be in play after the rebuy period and what a good amount of rebuys is to stop at (where its no longer EV+ to continue to rebuy).
I would be more inclined if anything to measure a suitable amount of rebuys against the average amount of rebuys expected in the actual tournament.
In some satellite games, it might be a turbo game, with 100 starting stacks, with $1 rebuys and a $500 ticket prize, in which case - you might expect to rebuy >20-50 times depending on the dynamics.
Worth checking also what the cap is that you're allowed to rebuy at (some strange games include things like unlimited rebuys with 100K or less chips, 1k starting stacks) these are usually satellites and you can expect to rebuy a LOT when the rebuy cap is 100X the starting stacks.
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guarantee frezzout or keep playin S&G at higer levels.
I would not reccomend playing re-buy/add-on tournaments at least you have some experience with them. If that is not the case and you are still interest in palying re-buy torunamnet start with low buy-in (1 dollar or 3 max) to familiarize with that kind of MTT
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"Blowing the Pole...." so many ways to interpret that....
Leaving the Polish community out of it for the moment, I'd repeat what's been said, play what you enjoy most. I always think you should give everything a shot a few times and, if you like it, you'll know soon enough.
Depending on your "gambling" tendencies, you either stick with SnG's or regular MTT's, or go for Turbos, Bounty's whatever. Don't have much time to play anymore, so I play a lot of Turbo/Speed type things like sattelites or low all-in "fests" just to play some quick games. Or speed/Turbo SnG's. You want to use your brain more and have the time, regular MTT's or higher SnG's, which are tougher, of course. Good Luck !
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i've read an article about rebuys ,,written by a pro ,forgot which site ....
This dude says he rebuys till he has the amount of chips he wants...to be comfortable and get a good chance for final table...
Also said many players just rebuy a few times...and these are the fishes to exploit...
socalled sponsors of the prizepool, never going till the end ,,while he always tries to reach end of add-onn period..no mather how many times he needs to rebuy...
not my strategy...but i respect his thoughts....he claims he got far better chances for a good ROI in these with this strategy...because he is always one of those who are still in the tournament and still has a shot at winning the whole thing.
------------ bounty MTT's are a waist if u ask me...
suppose there are 5000 entrys...and u win this bounty tournament... 1rst place
would you not be so dissapointed ,this was not a freezout with 5000 players???
the prizepool would be 3-5 times higher,, if u win a 5000 player freezout..
bountytournaments are for people who are trying to rebuild there bankroll with less risk of losing all ,what they have left on their account or total bankroll.
well ,this is my opinion..i also do not like to play lower limits after losing money on a certain limit..
u got good swings and bad swings...after a bad swing u move down limits ..and the good run starts...you say to yourself..damn why did i drop limits???
now i get A-A and all nice cards...and i am playing lower limits..that's fooling urself i think...
also try to play ,if i multitable ,,,all tables, same limits...
you might sit at the right table at the right seat ,,where all the good card come...and if you play 4 tables...all let's say 3$ buy-inn.. exept table 4 ,you play 0.10ct buy-inn ...u might lose on 3 tables and the lowest limit seems to be the best seat...then ur screwed..by yourself if u ask me..
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i have to agree with most of what's said- if your main goal is to win- then you have to play the format that you consider you are best at- but if you just want to dip your feet into higher stakes, and have an appropriate bankroll, of course you can give a shot at whatever yanks your crank- btw i would consider rebuy tourneys
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by Arithmajik:
Lol, and also I was wondering is 5 times the initial buyin a good estimate for how much you should be prepared to spend on all levels of rebuys? Even low stakes, like $1 buy in / rebuy? Or should you be prepared to spend more on low stakes (due to donkism) and less than $50 on say a $10 initial rebuy tourney.
interesting question - but I would say it *should* average out about the same across all buyin limits. The reason being, after a certain amount of buyins - it becomes a lot more difficult to recover more than what you spent on entering the tournament.
In most rebuys I play, if you rebuy 4-6 times (including the addon) then you'll generally get your money back for a min-cash, however - once you push past the 6 rebuys, you start needing to get more than a min-cash just to get even your buyin(s) back.
I think you need to set a stop-loss on rebuys, regarding how many you're actually prepared to do.
In saying that - sometimes if in the bigger rebuy tournaments - say $20+ Rebuys, people can't actually afford to rebuy at all, or are otherwise hesitant to rebuy - in which case, the prizepool is less supportive of multiple rebuys because it isn't bloating like it should in a normal rebuy. However - this is generally covered by the tournaments GTD$ amount and you should be able to get a reasonable estimate of the total chips likely to be in play after the rebuy period and what a good amount of rebuys is to stop at (where its no longer EV+ to continue to rebuy).
I would be more inclined if anything to measure a suitable amount of rebuys against the average amount of rebuys expected in the actual tournament.
In some satellite games, it might be a turbo game, with 100 starting stacks, with $1 rebuys and a $500 ticket prize, in which case - you might expect to rebuy >20-50 times depending on the dynamics.
Worth checking also what the cap is that you're allowed to rebuy at (some strange games include things like unlimited rebuys with 100K or less chips, 1k starting stacks) these are usually satellites and you can expect to rebuy a LOT when the rebuy cap is 100X the starting stacks.
It must be hard to know when to quit, I imagine that even if you think it will be harder to recoup all your losses there must still be the temptation to want to at least recoup some of those losses and not let the buyins you already paid go to waste, per se.
One day I'll go out and try to learn some of the strategy behind playing Rebuys/addons optimally.
I think Re buy and GTD freeze outs are good....ending in this tournaments on the final table will really mean good cashes...Bounty are rather weird to me because maybe i dont play this kind of tournaments....but you have to put yourself on the risk in order to make more money..you have to knock out as many opponent as you can....
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Posted by IslandJack: "Blowing the Pole...." so many ways to interpret that....
Leaving the Polish community out of it for the moment, I'd repeat what's been said, play what you enjoy most. I always think you should give everything a shot a few times and, if you like it, you'll know soon enough.
Depending on your "gambling" tendencies, you either stick with SnG's or regular MTT's, or go for Turbos, Bounty's whatever. Don't have much time to play anymore, so I play a lot of Turbo/Speed type things like sattelites or low all-in "fests" just to play some quick games. Or speed/Turbo SnG's. You want to use your brain more and have the time, regular MTT's or higher SnG's, which are tougher, of course. Good Luck !
LOL! Yeah, that sounds really bad when I go back and read it. "Blowing the pole" damn I wish I would have stopped to think about that statement befor etyping it, but I'm laughing with ya since that's not my gig.
