Joined: Mar '11
Age: 39 (M)
Recently played an MTT sattelite at Yachting poker. Top 4 players got a seat in the Sunday guarantee. I bubbled in 6th place, which would normally be fine by me, except there were 2 players so obviously chip dumping/colluding, that anyone with half a brain would see it.
So of course I e-mailed Yachting support. After waiting almost 2 weeks...yes, 2 weeks for them to look through a few lousy hands, they e-mailed me back saying "they checked into it" and found nothing. Which is absolute bs. Unfortunately I can't seem to find the HH on my computer anywhere, not sure if it even does save it since I can't find an option for it anywhere.
E-mailed them back, asking for them to send me the HH so I can post them here.
I literally gave them EVERYTHING. The tourney #, players involved, hands I noticed, and also my thoughts on each one.
I'm not a random rigtard, I'm someone who's been playing poker for years. I win. I can tell what's legit play, and what's suspect. I've caught and reported people before, so this isn't the first time this has happened.
Really surprised and annoyed that they'd disregard their sites integrity/security like this, when someone basically hands them the evidence on a silver platter.
*Edit* I'd also like to add, that I was talking about this in the chat with another player. Unfortunately the guy didn't speak good english, but he agreed it was suspicious, and would report it as well. He ended up busting shortly after me, when they both got him all-in.
Edited by retribution (Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 05:50 GMT)
Joined: Jan '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 30 (M)
I was thinking of depositing there one day, but with this coupled with the YP Rep's somewhat suspicious answer to the "superheros at yachting thread" unless they give me an amazing deposit bonus, they have lost a customer.
Joined: Apr '09
Age: 39 (M)
You put things in terms of being a fact, although you start saying you think a specific situation was specific, you keep saying, based on your experience with the game and previous activity with the same purpose (to acuse someone), that you have absolutely sure of what happened there. That may not be nice. Think about two good players that found themselves battling at the same table in a tourney. They may not make many showdowns, they can test each other’s strenght by constantly raising and re-raising each time they play one against the other. And, for those who are at the table which don’t get to participate on those specific hands, will seems like they are combined, passing chips between them. I think you should accept Yachting answer as a final one, although you don’t agree with it. Note: i have nothing to do with Yachting and they never paid me for talking good about them, this is just my opinion about what you wrote on the thread.
Joined: Mar '09
Age: 41 (F)
Got the same result few years back when i reported collusion in sng's in one of ipoker's skin (cant remember which one though it was). I even had screenshots verifying the freaking obvious. Two weeks later and after one more non responded email, while i could see those players still at the sng tables, i stopped playing sng's in ipoker.
Joined: May '08
Age: 34 (M)
what else can you expect from a small time poker room- they are just hapy that someone plays with them, and all the complaints are only of interest to them if they make them lose money/lots of clients/reputation etc. - which is not gonna happen anyway, since they have no reputation and lots of clients
Joined: Mar '11
Age: 39 (M)
Why the hell would someone this thread???? Seriously, I don't understand what possible reason there would be for that.
Anyways, got an e-mail back from Yachting, saying I could "request" the HH through the client, starting with hand ID: 7123850, yet when I try to do so, it says "hands must be a positive number". Well I'm pretty sure 7123850 is a positive number, so will have to e-mail them again.
Joined: Mar '11
Age: 39 (M)
Posted by damosk: Retribution...who are they man so we can look out for them in future games. Collusion is underhand and we need to do waht we can to rid them from the game despite what the sites may do or not do.
Until It's 100% proven, I don't want to implicate anyone as to me it's kind of unfair, yknow the whole innocent until proven guilty.
I'm almost 100% certain it was colusion, but until I get the HH to review it more, I will hold off on that.
yo. retri, Please do share who this players are because i always play in yachting.....Looking forward on the hand history....Also, have bubbled in this kind of tournament but still not seen any suspicious opponents or maybe i was not observant enough.... I will observe more if i play this kind of tournament....
You: sevendeuce79 You: 7123850 You: hand id:7123850 You: i want to review the HH of the FT of a tourney, but you´re all making it extremely difficult to do so
Damian: let me check up i f I can see it Damian: please hold on Damian: was it a free roll tournament?
You: yes You: the 4 seat satty to the big sunday event You: about a week ago
You: sounds right to me You: i want all the HH for that final table You: I´m investigating for colussion You: since your inept team seems to be too lazy to take my e-mail serious, I´ll do it myself and make your company look ridiculous
Damian: well, i have the access to the play history including bets, actions, chats
You: well I want the HH You: there´s no reason you can´t comply with that
Damian: I am sorry, I cannot see it Damian: tomorrow at 3 pm, there is our poker specialist working Damian: till 11 pm Damian: Ola Damian: he has more access Damian: now it is 3 am
You: no You: i want them now You: enough excuses, I waited days just for you clowns to e-mail me back
You: you just said you had access to it, so send it to me You: 11pm your time is like 7am my time, I´m not staying up....I want answers you said you have access, so email them to me
Damian: i checked up which access i have Damian: but i do not see the history of hands Damian: my collegue has more access for sure Damian: as he is dealing with poker Damian: please not the time difference Damian: I mean he will be working in 12 hours onwards
You: that´s bs You: "Damian: well, i have the access to the play history including bets, actions, chats"
(So now he's lying)
You: did you, or did you not say that? You: and don´t lie, because I can scroll up and see it
Damian: yes, but i do not see hands
You: you´re an idiot You: why are you guys so reluctant to give me the HH? What are you hiding?
Damian: I do not have access
You: Your team "investigated" it, yet won´t divulge the HH for a table I played at? What´s your reason for that? I played those hands, I have every right to them.
Damian: if you would contact my collegue directly
You: I will be posting this on several poker forums, including 2+2 and bankrollmob
(Covering my ass here. For legal reasons, you MUST advise someone you're going to make public any conversation involving them, be it via e-mail, chat or phone. He didn't say no, so I'm safe)
Damian: in 12 hours onwards
You: I WILL BE SLEEPING IN 12 HOURS FFS!!!!
Damian: that is why i suggest to contact him directly, if you do not mind Damian: 12 hours onwards Damian: by 8 hours Damian: his shift starts in 12 hours
You: Idiot liar
Damian: Under id there is no HH of you Damian: I am checking up the previous and next histories
You: yeah You: and how is that going You: hello
(He didn't respond for almost 20 minutes. until I said hello. Maybe he thought I'd go away?)
Damian: hello again, under the id required there was no high hand by you
(High hand? Wtf, now I'm really pissed off because obviously he's not even paying attention to what I'm saying)
You: what You: no im not talking about a high hand You: im talking about the hand history You: are you even paying attention to what im saying?
Damian: I Can give you the info about your hands history only
You: i want a copy of them
Damian: if you want the whole history, you need to ask about my collegue who will work onwards as I wrote you previously Damian: I am sorry, I am not allowed to give this info to you Damian: you can apply it contacting Ola Damian: email: email@example.com Damian: or directly by chat Damian: in 12 hours onwards Damian: when he will be online
You: wtf You: you cant give me hand historys for a tournement I was in, at a table I played at? You: What possible reason would there be for this?
Damian: I am not allowed to give the whole history to the players Damian: only the history relevant to the player directly
You: im not asking for players cards to be exposed, just for the hands as I would have observed them at the table. Ie: when they showed, or when I was involved in the hands. Feel free to keep mucked hands concealed
(Seems reasonable, right? I'm not asking for them to expose hole cards, unless I saw them during that hand.)
Damian: for that please apply at the manager Damian: by email or by chat
Damian: as I asked previoulsly Damian: and by the way
You: im just asking for a copy of the hand history, as would be provided by literally ANY other poker room You: by the way what?
Damian: if you can mind your style of application Damian: if you do that way as here on chat,.... maybe there is a reason there is no answer
(Really??????? Now he's mouthing off to me?)
You: what do you mean "your style of application"
Damian: please check up the relevant parts of Terms and Conditions Damian: on the ways of communication in the Poker Room Damian: with both workers and players
(This made me laugh. Really, you're going to try and hide behind the TOS because I called you an idiot?)
You: why is it, that ANY other poker room freely provides hand histories, and even store them directly on your computer, yet your room feels it doesn´t have to provide this?
Damian: I told you previously Damian: please ask my collegue Damian: is not it clear enough in English?
(Wow, we're getting pretty cocky now aren't we?)
You: This is ridiculous, I hope you realise what a poor light this sheds on your already underpopulated site.
Damian: Thanks for understanding
You: Wow bro, you´re really going to talk to me like that? You: www.bankrollmob.com You: I suggest you go there in about 5 minutes, and look for the "Yachting colussion thread" where I´ll be posting this chat You: good day
Joined: Mar '12
Age: 46 (M)
try to reach the pokermanager...i also had a complaint ,and he just credited my account with 10 euro's ..for free...although a total different mather,, try contact him...i'm sure he will provide u with the needed info/HH.
Joined: Mar '11
Age: 39 (M)
Posted by uhhcallmi: try to reach the pokermanager...i also had a complaint ,and he just credited my account with 10 euro's ..for free...although a total different mather,, try contact him...i'm sure he will provide u with the needed info/HH.
good luck..will check how this evolves...
Well for the time being, I'm totally advising people refrain from playing there, as this issue, coupled with the evasive answers the YP rep gave about the super hero names really calls into question the credibility of their site.
Joined: Jan '10
Age: 55 (M)
I know your feeling retri, I ever got the same case. I suggest forget it. How much buy in ? and how many time you waste to take care ? just play again, if meet them, make video. take care of it make us in tilt right, and tilt is not good condition to play poker . Good luck in next
Joined: Mar '10
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 42 (M)
Maybe Bankroll mob need to be a bit more carefull which sites they are willing to promote I am still owed hundreds from Kingdomofpoker - which is still being promoted by brm The only way we can show our displeasure is with our cash - Dont deposit on these sites and dont play on them ,no matter how good the deals are or how easy it appears to be to win It is important that people use the forums to spread the word about problems with sites. Looking forward to seeing these hand histories and if collusion did take place .
Joined: Dec '11
Age: 39 (M)
I've been in contact with the customer service team and collusion regarding this case. I believe you have now been sent the hand history and you can now freely post the hands involved in the case.
I've also personally looked through this case, and the previous case that you raised regarding another two players which you deemed were obviously chip dumping. In both cases the analysis of the collusion department and myself both point to there being no chipdumping and no relation between the accounts involved.
Poker is a game where you often find your self in spots where it appears everyone is playing specifically against you, but very often these situations arise simply due to the way hands are dealt. You are analysing the way players have previously played, against each others and against you without actual knowledge of their actual holdings which would make your opinions very biased and incorrect.
I'm sorry that you lost to what you would deem a case of collusion, however we have analysed the results and feel that your analysis of the hands and situations are incorrect. It was a freeroll - and we would have no reasons to be defending any specific players in this freeroll if collusion was indeed found.