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  11-Jul-12, 05:48   #1
Collusion at Yachting poker, and they won't do anything. -1 
retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 1490
Recently played an MTT sattelite at Yachting poker. Top 4 players got a seat in the Sunday guarantee. I bubbled in 6th place, which would normally be fine by me, except there were 2 players so obviously chip dumping/colluding, that anyone with half a brain would see it.

So of course I e-mailed Yachting support. After waiting almost 2 weeks...yes, 2 weeks for them to look through a few lousy hands, they e-mailed me back saying "they checked into it" and found nothing. Which is absolute bs. Unfortunately I can't seem to find the HH on my computer anywhere, not sure if it even does save it since I can't find an option for it anywhere.

E-mailed them back, asking for them to send me the HH so I can post them here.

I literally gave them EVERYTHING. The tourney #, players involved, hands I noticed, and also my thoughts on each one.

I'm not a random rigtard, I'm someone who's been playing poker for years. I win. I can tell what's legit play, and what's suspect. I've caught and reported people before, so this isn't the first time this has happened.

Really surprised and annoyed that they'd disregard their sites integrity/security like this, when someone basically hands them the evidence on a silver platter.

*Edit* I'd also like to add, that I was talking about this in the chat with another player. Unfortunately the guy didn't speak good english, but he agreed it was suspicious, and would report it as well. He ended up busting shortly after me, when they both got him all-in.

Edited by retribution (Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 05:50 GMT)


     
  11-Jul-12, 06:38   #2
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takingdrugs 

Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 744
just shove em and skint em both out Big Smile
might make money together so let em lose some together


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was some guys doing that in the PKR master, daft bast*rds were disscusing it over the chat

     
  11-Jul-12, 08:33   #3
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sadamman 

Joined: Jan '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 1204
I was thinking of depositing there one day, but with this coupled with the YP Rep's somewhat suspicious answer to the "superheros at yachting thread" unless they give me an amazing deposit bonus, they have lost a customer.

     
  11-Jul-12, 12:25   #4
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Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4764
You put things in terms of being a fact, although you start saying you think a specific situation was specific, you keep saying, based on your experience with the game and previous activity with the same purpose (to acuse someone), that you have absolutely sure of what happened there. That may not be nice. Think about two good players that found themselves battling at the same table in a tourney. They may not make many showdowns, they can test each other’s strenght by constantly raising and re-raising each time they play one against the other. And, for those who are at the table which don’t get to participate on those specific hands, will seems like they are combined, passing chips between them. I think you should accept Yachting answer as a final one, although you don’t agree with it. Note: i have nothing to do with Yachting and they never paid me for talking good about them, this is just my opinion about what you wrote on the thread.

     
  11-Jul-12, 13:20   #5
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noonlion 

Joined: Mar '12
Location: United Kingdom
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Posts: 1277
That''s unfortunate you lost money due to this.

But yachting is a piece of s**t site frm what i gather.

     
  11-Jul-12, 13:34   #6
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10016
Got the same result few years back when i reported collusion in sng's in one
of ipoker's skin (cant remember which one though it was).
I even had screenshots verifying the freaking obvious.
Two weeks later and after one more non responded email,
while i could see those players still at the sng tables, i stopped playing sng's in ipoker.

     
  12-Jul-12, 19:22   #7
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8628
what else can you expect from a small time poker room- they are just hapy that someone plays with them, and all the complaints are only of interest to them if they make them lose money/lots of clients/reputation etc. - which is not gonna happen anyway, since they have no reputation and lots of clients

     
  12-Jul-12, 21:35   #8
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retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
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Why the hell would someone Thumbs Down this thread???? Seriously, I don't understand what possible reason there would be for that.

Anyways, got an e-mail back from Yachting, saying I could "request" the HH through the client, starting with hand ID: 7123850, yet when I try to do so, it says "hands must be a positive number". Well I'm pretty sure 7123850 is a positive number, so will have to e-mail them again.

     
  12-Jul-12, 21:41   #9
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damosk 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 52 (M)
Posts: 4852
Retribution...who are they man so we can look out for them in future games. Collusion is underhand and we need to do waht we can to rid them from the game despite what the sites may do or not do.

     
  13-Jul-12, 00:13   #10
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retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 1490
Posted by damosk:
Retribution...who are they man so we can look out for them in future games. Collusion is underhand and we need to do waht we can to rid them from the game despite what the sites may do or not do.


Until It's 100% proven, I don't want to implicate anyone as to me it's kind of unfair, yknow the whole innocent until proven guilty.

I'm almost 100% certain it was colusion, but until I get the HH to review it more, I will hold off on that.

     
  13-Jul-12, 00:57   #11
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ayaraled 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Philippines
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 544
yo. retri, Please do share who this players are because i always play in yachting.....Looking forward on the hand history....Also, have bubbled in this kind of tournament but still not seen any suspicious opponents or maybe i was not observant enough.... I will observe more if i play this kind of tournament....

     
  13-Jul-12, 02:11   #12
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retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
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Just spoke to a chat rep, because after I got the e-mail back from Support, I tried to retrieve the hand histories, and kept getting error messages. Seriously, read what happened:

Welcome to customer service Yachting Poker

Diamond You: i want my hand histories

Club Damian: Hello

Diamond You: i want my hand histories

Club Damian: what is your poker nickname?

Diamond You: sevendeuce79
Diamond You: 7123850
Diamond You: hand id:7123850
Diamond You: i want to review the HH of the FT of a tourney, but you´re all making it extremely difficult to do so

Club Damian: let me check up i f I can see it
Club Damian: please hold on
Club Damian: was it a free roll tournament?

Diamond You: yes
Diamond You: the 4 seat satty to the big sunday event
Diamond You: about a week ago

Club Damian: 04/07

Diamond You: sounds right to me
Diamond You: i want all the HH for that final table
Diamond You: I´m investigating for colussion
Diamond You: since your inept team seems to be too lazy to take my e-mail serious, I´ll do it myself and make your company look ridiculous

Club Damian: well, i have the access to the play history including bets, actions, chats

Diamond You: well I want the HH
Diamond You: there´s no reason you can´t comply with that

Club Damian: I am sorry, I cannot see it
Club Damian: tomorrow at 3 pm, there is our poker specialist working
Club Damian: till 11 pm
Club Damian: Ola
Club Damian: he has more access
Club Damian: now it is 3 am

Diamond You: no
Diamond You: i want them now
Diamond You: enough excuses, I waited days just for you clowns to e-mail me back

Club Damian: you can write email to him: support@yachting-poker.com or to direct him in chat

Diamond You: you just said you had access to it, so send it to me
Diamond You: 11pm your time is like 7am my time, I´m not staying up....I want answers you said you have access, so email them to me

Club Damian: i checked up which access i have
Club Damian: but i do not see the history of hands
Club Damian: my collegue has more access for sure
Club Damian: as he is dealing with poker
Club Damian: please not the time difference
Club Damian: I mean he will be working in 12 hours onwards

Diamond You: that´s bs
Diamond You: "Damian: well, i have the access to the play history including bets, actions, chats"

Question (So now he's lying) Question

Diamond You: did you, or did you not say that?
Diamond You: and don´t lie, because I can scroll up and see it

Club Damian: yes, but i do not see hands

Diamond You: you´re an idiot
Diamond You: why are you guys so reluctant to give me the HH? What are you hiding?

Club Damian: I do not have access

Question (Lies again) Question

Diamond You: Your team "investigated" it, yet won´t divulge the HH for a table I played at? What´s your reason for that? I played those hands, I have every right to them.

Club Damian: if you would contact my collegue directly

Diamond You: I will be posting this on several poker forums, including 2+2 and bankrollmob

Question (Covering my ass here. For legal reasons, you MUST advise someone you're going to make public any conversation involving them, be it via e-mail, chat or phone. He didn't say no, so I'm safe) Question

Club Damian: in 12 hours onwards

Diamond You: I WILL BE SLEEPING IN 12 HOURS FFS!!!!

Club Damian: that is why i suggest to contact him directly, if you do not mind
Club Damian: 12 hours onwards
Club Damian: by 8 hours
Club Damian: his shift starts in 12 hours

Diamond You: Idiot liar

Club Damian: Under id there is no HH of you
Club Damian: I am checking up the previous and next histories

Diamond You: yeah
Diamond You: and how is that going
Diamond You: hello

Question (He didn't respond for almost 20 minutes. until I said hello. Maybe he thought I'd go away?) Question

Club Damian: hello again, under the id required there was no high hand by you

Question (High hand? Wtf, now I'm really pissed off because obviously he's not even paying attention to what I'm saying) Question

Diamond You: what
Diamond You: no im not talking about a high hand
Diamond You: im talking about the hand history
Diamond You: are you even paying attention to what im saying?

Club Damian: I Can give you the info about your hands history only

Diamond You: i want a copy of them

Club Damian: if you want the whole history, you need to ask about my collegue who will work onwards as I wrote you previously
Club Damian: I am sorry, I am not allowed to give this info to you
Club Damian: you can apply it contacting Ola
Club Damian: email: support@yachting-poker.com
Club Damian: or directly by chat
Club Damian: in 12 hours onwards
Club Damian: when he will be online

Diamond You: wtf
Diamond You: you cant give me hand historys for a tournement I was in, at a table I played at?
Diamond You: What possible reason would there be for this?

Club Damian: I am not allowed to give the whole history to the players
Club Damian: only the history relevant to the player directly

Diamond You: im not asking for players cards to be exposed, just for the hands as I would have observed them at the table. Ie: when they showed, or when I was involved in the hands. Feel free to keep mucked hands concealed

Question (Seems reasonable, right? I'm not asking for them to expose hole cards, unless I saw them during that hand.) Question

Club Damian: for that please apply at the manager
Club Damian: by email or by chat

Diamond You: why

Club Damian: as I asked previoulsly
Club Damian: and by the way

Diamond You: im just asking for a copy of the hand history, as would be provided by literally ANY other poker room
Diamond You: by the way what?

Club Damian: if you can mind your style of application
Club Damian: if you do that way as here on chat,.... maybe there is a reason there is no answer

Question (Really??????? Now he's mouthing off to me?) Question

Diamond You: what do you mean "your style of application"

Club Damian: please check up the relevant parts of Terms and Conditions
Club Damian: on the ways of communication in the Poker Room
Club Damian: with both workers and players

Question (This made me laugh. Really, you're going to try and hide behind the TOS because I called you an idiot?) Question

Diamond You: why is it, that ANY other poker room freely provides hand histories, and even store them directly on your computer, yet your room feels it doesn´t have to provide this?

Club Damian: I told you previously
Club Damian: please ask my collegue
Club Damian: is not it clear enough in English?

Question (Wow, we're getting pretty cocky now aren't we?) Question

Diamond You: This is ridiculous, I hope you realise what a poor light this sheds on your already underpopulated site.

Club Damian: Thanks for understanding

Diamond You: Wow bro, you´re really going to talk to me like that?
Diamond You: www.bankrollmob.com
Diamond You: I suggest you go there in about 5 minutes, and look for the "Yachting colussion thread" where I´ll be posting this chat
Diamond You: good day

Club Damian: the same to you!

     
  13-Jul-12, 02:41   #13
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Arithmajik 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Canada
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 1568
Hi Retribution,

Did you try emailing them and putting OLA in the subject line? We've had a lot of discussion so far on a problem I'm having depositing there and he's pretty fair and clear. He'll help you out.

I'll even drop him a line and ask him about it. Hopefully he can help you out.

     
  13-Jul-12, 03:01   #14
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retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 1490
Posted by Arithmajik:
Hi Retribution,

Did you try emailing them and putting OLA in the subject line? We've had a lot of discussion so far on a problem I'm having depositing there and he's pretty fair and clear. He'll help you out.

I'll even drop him a line and ask him about it. Hopefully he can help you out.


Yuip, I've exchanged several e-mails with them on this matter.

     
  13-Jul-12, 04:07   #15
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uhhcallmi 

Joined: Mar '12
Location: Netherlands
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 587
try to reach the pokermanager...i also had a complaint ,and he just credited my account with 10 euro's ..for free...although a total different mather,, try contact him...i'm sure he will provide u with the needed info/HH.

good luck..will check how this evolves...

     
  13-Jul-12, 04:48   #16
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retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 1490
Posted by uhhcallmi:
try to reach the pokermanager...i also had a complaint ,and he just credited my account with 10 euro's ..for free...although a total different mather,, try contact him...i'm sure he will provide u with the needed info/HH.

good luck..will check how this evolves...


Well for the time being, I'm totally advising people refrain from playing there, as this issue, coupled with the evasive answers the YP rep gave about the super hero names really calls into question the credibility of their site.

     
  13-Jul-12, 12:16   #17
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Serpang 
Joined: Jan '10
Location: Indonesia
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 1477
I know your feeling retri, I ever got the same case. I suggest forget it. How much buy in ? and how many time you waste to take care ? just play again, if meet them, make video. take care of it make us in tilt right, and tilt is not good condition to play poker Smile Smile . Good luck in next

     
  13-Jul-12, 13:54   #18
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kingfisha 
Joined: Mar '10
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 83
Maybe Bankroll mob need to be a bit more carefull which sites they are willing to promote Confused
I am still owed Dollar hundreds from Dollar Kingdomofpoker - which is still being promoted by brm
The only way we can show our displeasure is with our cash - Dont deposit on these sites and dont play on them ,no matter how good the deals are or how easy it appears to be to win Big Smile
It is important that people use the forums to spread the word about problems with sites.
Looking forward to seeing these hand histories and if collusion did take place .

     
  13-Jul-12, 14:10   #19
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YPRep 
Joined: Dec '11
Location: Malta
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 15
Hi Retribution,

I've been in contact with the customer service team and collusion regarding this case. I believe you have now been sent the hand history and you can now freely post the hands involved in the case.

I've also personally looked through this case, and the previous case that you raised regarding another two players which you deemed were obviously chip dumping. In both cases the analysis of the collusion department and myself both point to there being no chipdumping and no relation between the accounts involved.

Poker is a game where you often find your self in spots where it appears everyone is playing specifically against you, but very often these situations arise simply due to the way hands are dealt. You are analysing the way players have previously played, against each others and against you without actual knowledge of their actual holdings which would make your opinions very biased and incorrect.

I'm sorry that you lost to what you would deem a case of collusion, however we have analysed the results and feel that your analysis of the hands and situations are incorrect. It was a freeroll - and we would have no reasons to be defending any specific players in this freeroll if collusion was indeed found.

Yachting Poker

     
  13-Jul-12, 18:01   #20
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 6197
Good to see a Yachting Rep is answering the questions +1 Thumbs Up

     
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