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  12-Jul-12, 13:23   #1
AA vs Q10s - cash game 0 
noonlion 

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Had this interesting encounter in a 6 ring cash game yesterday. (.5/.10)

Guy to my left is the BS with $22 and is multi-tabling several rooms and has a large stack on most of them, so I know he's good. I have $10.

Anyway I'm on the Button and pick up AA and raise 3x. He calls BB calls.

In position and with such a hand I feel quite good, but know I'll have to play the hand well to get money out of him if he doesn't hit the flop.

Flop comes down 8H 10S 4H

He raises the pot which makes me a bit anxious as it's not a standard raise and smells like he's protecting. BB folds.

I try to think what he could have - A10 perhaps down to J10 possibly of hearts. I don't think it likely he's hit trips, not with such a raise.

Neither of my Aces are a heart..

I reraise $1.95 into a pot of $1.80 - for a total pot of $3.75

They four bet to $6.75 for a total pot of $9.60. I reraise AI and they call showing Q10h.

A 3c hits on the turn. Then bam, one of their 15 outs spikes on the river Qs.

On reflection I think I should have reraised more on the flop after he bet out $0.90 - $1.95 wasn't enough.

And I should have folded after the fourbet knowing that by the river they'd have a 50% chance to win the race.

     
  12-Jul-12, 13:32   #2
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bullettooth1 

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you did nothing wrong here.
your flop bet probs should of been a bit bigger but it wouldnt of mattered in this case, he's going nowhere.
i dont think you could of done anything different. you want to get your money in in this spot. you just got unlucky thats all.


     
  12-Jul-12, 18:44   #3
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shokaku 

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Opponents hand is to strong, so a higher reraise, you overbet the pot anyway, will not get him out of the hand. After the flop it was a flip, and he won. Nice hand, and on to the next hand.

     
  12-Jul-12, 21:51   #4
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damosk 
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You win some....you lose some. It looks like you did all you could and he chose to play whatever! Think about, why would you have folded on the turn? You were winning and he was drawing. He didnt make his draw but got lucky with 2 pair. Keep smiling and move on to the next hand and game.

     
  13-Jul-12, 01:08   #5
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ayaraled 
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I think its standard ....moving all in with overpair and your opponnent has top pair and flush draw...he got a very strong draw so he will not fold his hand....luck was on his side on that hand....I lost aa like this also...so when i get those aces in cash games... I go all in or raise 50percent of my stack because i just want a calller with ak,kk,qq,jj,1010.I dont want to play small pot against a suited connector and 3 handed....I always want to play heads up with aces....i win a small pot if no one calls but i dont want to loss a big pot with aces because you will end up calling to the river with aces....in my idea only....






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  13-Jul-12, 05:12   #6
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Macubaas 
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To me you played the hand pretty much okay but if you had some history with him i think you could have fold the hand too.

Still, there wasn't really a mistake that you made but pay more attention when you'll play with him next time Blink

     
  13-Jul-12, 09:54   #7
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kinogomes 

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It was looking like a Russian runing like god in micros, like it happens most of the times!

     
  13-Jul-12, 11:07   #8
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Chartoule 
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Hi noonlion!!

You played well. The guy with QT did wrong moves in flop (the donkbet is specially bad, is better do pot control with TP+FD after calling preflop) but he had a good draw and finally wins the pot. Better luck next time.

     
  13-Jul-12, 11:54   #9
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Serpang 
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All comment above is right for me, at that hand you just unlucky. You play well already.No guarantee best hand will win Tongue Tongue . You said he had big stake at 'all' table indicate he was in lucky moment.
That's interesting to learn : don't fight against player in luck Tongue Tongue .How do you think? Smile

     
  13-Jul-12, 12:19   #10
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doomdy 

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A handhistory reads so much better, its messed up when you write it like this.
Tried to read it and guess its just a ''well played, just unlucky'' hand.
Have more luck next time Thumbs Up

     
  13-Jul-12, 12:39   #11
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Fakiry 

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You tripled his bet, i think it was a nice raise, the question is: would he ever fold this flush draw? Before you made your bet, there were $2.70 at the pot ($1.80 plus the $0.90 bet from your opponent), and yuo bet a bit more than 2/3 of it, that difference, betting $2.70 instead of the $1.95 you bet, wouldn’t make a big difference in your opponent’s move. And if you went all-in, maybe that would be the only situation in which he would think about folding, but that way you would only be guaranteing $2.70, which can be considered few for your AA – but it would always be better than losing the hand.

     
  13-Jul-12, 17:25   #12
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TheMachineQC 

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Posted by doomdy:
A handhistory reads so much better, its messed up when you write it like this.
Tried to read it and guess its just a ''well played, just unlucky'' hand.
Have more luck next time Thumbs Up


Doomdy speaks truth.

You played it well, you have to defend your overpair there most of the time since it's a pretty wet board, and vilain could have only a draw. If you know he plays really tight post flop then you can fold your aces after the 4bet, but in general I think you played the hand perfectly. Bet sizes don't really matter when both players don't want to fold their hand.

     
  14-Jul-12, 07:08   #13
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retribution 

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Posted by noonlion:
A 3c hits on the turn. Then bam, one of their 15 outs spikes on the river Qs.


Am I missing something, you said he had Q10s, yet there's a 10 of spades on the board. Unless you meant he had Q10H, in which case you were dominated on the flop.

He had 235679JKA of hearts which is 9 outs, plus QC QS QD and 10C 10D, for 14 total outs. 56% to win, so he made the absolute correct play in the long run. He did have only a small equity advantage, but neither of you really played the hand bad.

     
  14-Jul-12, 14:01   #14
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MarcWinz 

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Hi Noonlion. I think you played this well, as has been said you were not going to get him off his hand no matter what. Also after the flop he was a favourite in my mind. You just have to keep playing like you did and you will be okay in the long run.

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  14-Jul-12, 14:51   #15
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Mober 
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You played the hand well.
Even if your bet was higher i doubt you could make him fold with that flop.
He made top pair while chasing Q high flush.
You got unlucky there. Better luck next time.

     
  15-Jul-12, 14:25   #16
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TheMachineQC 

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Posted by retribution:
Posted by noonlion:
A 3c hits on the turn. Then bam, one of their 15 outs spikes on the river Qs.


Am I missing something, you said he had Q10s, yet there's a 10 of spades on the board. Unless you meant he had Q10H, in which case you were dominated on the flop.

He had 235679JKA of hearts which is 9 outs, plus QC QS QD and 10C 10D, for 14 total outs. 56% to win, so he made the absolute correct play in the long run. He did have only a small equity advantage, but neither of you really played the hand bad.


Q10s = Queen ten suited, not Queen ten of spades Blink

Q10s, Q10o... The color doesn't really matter, as long as we know he has a flush draw and a pair.

     
  25-Jul-12, 03:49   #17
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hidden100 
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like the other said..no errors of yours....i think your oponent made a mistake when he called your raise with a Q10s....unluck ..just keep going;..at least know you know how he plays... maybe know you should play again with him..

you just played like you should play..but ..try to make note about the most players you can..this way you will be able to know if you have to raise more than the usual..

     
  25-Jul-12, 12:33   #18
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Fakiry 

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Posted by hidden100:
...try to make note about the most players you can..this way you will be able to know if you have to raise more than the usual..

If you are a regular on cash games, this should be na advice you may want to consdier about. The best you know your oponents, the best you will be able to play against them. I’m not saying you need software to follow them (that depends on the levels you play, if they are low than you will almost always be playing against diferente people, except if you are on not very crowded online rooms). You can use the note from the poker software itself, many have it and people should use it.

     
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