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  22-Jul-12, 13:10   #1
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mreid123 
Joined: Oct '10
Location: Canada
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 204
ive just beeen wondering how come i cantr make anthing off this site.. any tips would be appretiated i need info to make money im sick of loseing every time. i think they are rigged as from my results lol..

     
  22-Jul-12, 13:13   #2
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8628
maybe you have been playing riverstars/jokerstars instead- they look similar and are rigged as they can be Big Smile btw if you are losing money it doesn't mean that site is rigged- it just means that you are losing money Big Smile if you constantly are on the losing side, then the best tip i can give you is this: play smaller limits- this way at least you will lose less Big Smile

     
  22-Jul-12, 13:18   #3
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mreid123 
Joined: Oct '10
Location: Canada
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 204
lmao thats exactly what it is .. nbut how can u tell if its pokerstars or the afake site i gto id from pokerstars. should this make a difference lol

     
  22-Jul-12, 18:19   #4
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
First of all what are you playing on pokerstars and what limits?

If you play high variance games like mtt or cash zoom it is normal to get some huge downswings. My advice would be to start plying tight first until you get a feel of the site and it's players Blink

     
  22-Jul-12, 19:51   #5
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8628
Posted by Macubaas:
First of all what are you playing on pokerstars and what limits?

If you play high variance games like mtt or cash zoom it is normal to get some huge downswings. My advice would be to start plying tight first until you get a feel of the site and it's players Blink


yeah, and the tightest you can get is to play freerolls Big Smile

     
  23-Jul-12, 10:21   #6
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Gorblid 

Joined: Feb '12
Location: Israel
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 1
Indeed pokerstars is the most difficult room to be winner, cause its has huge amount of players, and most of the good players play there i think.

and for surely pokerstars have no reason to cheat, they earn a huge amounts of rake every minute.

     
  23-Jul-12, 12:14   #7
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Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4764
You are playing in the site that agregates the best online poker players at all levels. That’s why you are having that type of problems in managing to win something. And that’s also one of the reasone why other rooms keep geting more and more players, they basically prefer to go to another place where competition is not that hard. You won’t find as good place to play as PS, but you will see the level of competition is much lower in other sites.

     
  23-Jul-12, 13:52   #8
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occultum 
Joined: Aug '11
Location: Portugal
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 232
Hum... pokerstars might have the best players (which the real good ones actually play on other sites aswell) but it's the place where you have more fish per meter :\

It depends alot on what's your strategy man .. what are you playing what limits are you playing do you have a strategy to get money etc etc .. you need to be more specific so we can understand whats the problem.. if there is one.

     
  23-Jul-12, 15:25   #9
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DaCapo71 
Joined: Aug '10
Location: Germany
Age: 45 (M)
Posts: 1707
A really old story. I´ve played there since 2007 and it is unbelievable what happened there. This room is the home of crazy suckouts. It is impssible to win there with the better all in hand...

     
  23-Jul-12, 16:25   #10
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MarcWinz 

Joined: Oct '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 50 (M)
Posts: 644
Hi mreid123.

My question for you is what stake are you playing at and what is your bankroll? If you are playing above you level you will continue to lose, until you find your feet.

Pokerstars does have some amazing suck outs but I think all sites have some suck outs and because Pokerstars have a large amount of hands per minute they will have more suck outs.

When you get beaten by some moron who have called your AA with 85 os and hit two pairs you must think that you played correctly and he/ she didn't. In the long run they will lose and and you will win.

My theory poker is that there is a correct way to play and if you continue to play correctly you will win eventually. That is why good bankroll management is essential, one so you can cope with the suck outs and secondly so you can continue to play and win some money.

We have all read about the person who wins a million on line from nothing in six weeks, this is not normal. Take your time and you will learn to play better and win some dosh!!

I would also advise you to read some books, Harrington on hold em 1, 2, & 3 are good. These give you the opportunity to learn without losing anything.

Enough from me..............GL to you all...................

Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  23-Jul-12, 17:53   #11
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hidden100 
Joined: Jan '12
Location: Brazil
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 17
in pokerstars u can get that ticket from intellipoker to start a bankroll..or play freerolls..then i think that study at p***********y is enough to raise your money,they give you a table showing what you have to do..this works specially at the zoom tables from pokerstars, because there no one will realize how you play..i ve never deposited at pokerstars but i won a good money this way (relatively fast)
till i first withdraw..after that strange unluck things started to happen....

u can play others sites..i started to play yachting poker 3 days ago ..bankrollmob gave me 5 euros
...people there dont know how to play, it´s easy to make money there ,there r some easy freerolls
where if you reach 2000 chips(u begin with 1000) you can wait and l win 0,30 euro..
less then 100 people per torney and 30 places paid..very easy even if you dont study..
but there is a problem..this lack of players makes it slower to make money, sometimes u cant play at the cashtables because its empty..


anyway if you want to make poker really worthwhile you should study the most you can.. Smile
and you certainly will have to play at bigger sites like pokerstars..


     
  23-Jul-12, 23:32   #12
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mreid123 
Joined: Oct '10
Location: Canada
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 204
1st of i usually deposit 25 or 15 .
2nd i play MTTs 1.35 Kos... 1+ RB 60 k Garentees or SNGS 18 - 27- 45 - 90- 180 players
theres other types of mtts i play 2.70 kos etc..

     
  24-Jul-12, 04:40   #13
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0HighTimes0 

Joined: Feb '12
Location: New Zealand
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 143
Posted by mreid123:
1st of i usually deposit 25 or 15 .
2nd i play MTTs 1.35 Kos... 1+ RB 60 k Garentees or SNGS 18 - 27- 45 - 90- 180 players
theres other types of mtts i play 2.70 kos etc..


"1st of i usually deposit 25 or 15" is that ur only deposit or, what time frame is that (if deposit more than once) weekly/monthly?
& for Bankroll management the buy in's maybe bit steep for your BR (IMO) as thats higher than I would playing at, But I'm a Scrooge LOL Big Smile Cool

From the Article http://www.chrisferguson.com/article-4
(I hope not breaking Rulz, as this not Opp Forum, delete if is Adm TY)

"Starting from Zero" Chris Ferguson
"To ensure that I keep my bankroll intact, I've adopted some key rules:

I'll never buy into a cash game or a Sit & Go with more than 5 percent of my total bankroll (there is an exception for the lowest limits: I'm allowed to buy into any game with a buy-in of $2.50 or less).
I won't buy into a multi-table tournament for more than 2 percent of my total bankroll and I'm allowed to buy into any multi-table tournament that costs $1.
If at any time during a No-Limit or Pot-Limit cash-game session the money on the table represents more than 10 percent of my total bankroll, I must leave the game when the blinds reach me.

I think a lot of players would do well to apply these rules. One great benefit from this approach to bankroll management is that it ensures you'll be playing in games you can afford. You'll never play for very long in a game that's over your head because, when you're losing, you'll have no choice but to drop down to a smaller game. You can continue to sharpen your game at that lower limit until your bankroll allows you to move up and take another shot. These rules also prevent you from being completely decimated by a bad run of cards.

Dropping down and playing lower limits is difficult for a lot of players. They view it as a failure and their egos get in the way. Many want to remain at the level they'd been playing and win back their losses. But this can lead to some pretty severe tilt - and that can go through a bankroll in a hurry. I know that dropping down was difficult for me in my run from $1 to $20,000. When I first played in the $25/$50 game, I lost. Sticking to my rules, I dropped down to the $10/$25 game. I had a losing streak there and had to go down to $5/$10. That was tough. After playing $25/$50, a $5/$10 game was boring to me.

But I had the discipline to stick to my rules, and that motivated me to play better at the lower levels. I really didn't want to lose any more because I knew the consequences: I'd have to play even lower and work even harder to get back to where I'd been, which could take as long as a month. If you ever find yourself bored or frustrated playing at the lower limits, you're obviously not playing well. Take a break from the game. Often, stepping away can give you a fresh perspective and heightened motivation to play well when you return.

There are a couple of more tips I'd like to share regarding bankroll management. First, you should never play in a game that is beyond your bankroll simply because the game seems to be soft that day. It's never soft enough to risk money that puts your bankroll in jeopardy. The other point is that you should avoid playing in games that are at the top of your bankroll limits, when a lower game offers more opportunity for profit."

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/chris-ferguson-challenge

All Thee Best Thumbs Up

Edited by 0HighTimes0 (Tuesday, July 24, 2012 @ 04:53 GMT)


     
  24-Jul-12, 11:23   #14
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occultum 
Joined: Aug '11
Location: Portugal
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 232
I heard this rigged myth for ages.. what does that means?

Poker is a game where you lose and win.. if your opponent/yourself has atleast 1% equity either can win. If you accept that i find it very hard to understand the rigged hype.
I have been bad beated in many sites.. some days i couldn't win a single flip .. so what?
I rail some very successfull players and the same happens to them.

Please someone show some proofs of riggaments or be quite for ever.

     
  24-Jul-12, 13:21   #15
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ayaraled 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Philippines
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 544
rigged....no....lots of suckouts and badbeats...yes...because its poker....variance is part of the game....low stakes has high variance and you will see very many badbeats....but i believe that its really hard to make money from pokerstars if you start off from freerolls...you got to have a lot free time.....

     
  24-Jul-12, 13:28   #16
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occultum 
Joined: Aug '11
Location: Portugal
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 232
Yes probably is ayaraled.. because freerolls are full of tards and because pokerstars freerolls are "fun" but not very profitable.

Luckly there are the BRM freerolls who offer nice money compared to others.

Since i withdraw from there and have only money @ party and pkr i will try for fun to grind money from scratch @pokerstars and will report if i had any success.. maybe will set a goal or something to give me motivation :\

     
  24-Jul-12, 23:23   #17
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
Posted by 0HighTimes0:
Posted by mreid123:
1st of i usually deposit 25 or 15 .
2nd i play MTTs 1.35 Kos... 1+ RB 60 k Garentees or SNGS 18 - 27- 45 - 90- 180 players
theres other types of mtts i play 2.70 kos etc..


"1st of i usually deposit 25 or 15" is that ur only deposit or, what time frame is that (if deposit more than once) weekly/monthly?
& for Bankroll management the buy in's maybe bit steep for your BR (IMO) as thats higher than I would playing at, But I'm a Scrooge LOL Big Smile Cool

From the Article http://www.chrisferguson.com/article-4
(I hope not breaking Rulz, as this not Opp Forum, delete if is Adm TY)

"Starting from Zero" Chris Ferguson
"To ensure that I keep my bankroll intact, I've adopted some key rules:

I'll never buy into a cash game or a Sit & Go with more than 5 percent of my total bankroll (there is an exception for the lowest limits: I'm allowed to buy into any game with a buy-in of $2.50 or less).
I won't buy into a multi-table tournament for more than 2 percent of my total bankroll and I'm allowed to buy into any multi-table tournament that costs $1.
If at any time during a No-Limit or Pot-Limit cash-game session the money on the table represents more than 10 percent of my total bankroll, I must leave the game when the blinds reach me.

I think a lot of players would do well to apply these rules. One great benefit from this approach to bankroll management is that it ensures you'll be playing in games you can afford. You'll never play for very long in a game that's over your head because, when you're losing, you'll have no choice but to drop down to a smaller game. You can continue to sharpen your game at that lower limit until your bankroll allows you to move up and take another shot. These rules also prevent you from being completely decimated by a bad run of cards.

Dropping down and playing lower limits is difficult for a lot of players. They view it as a failure and their egos get in the way. Many want to remain at the level they'd been playing and win back their losses. But this can lead to some pretty severe tilt - and that can go through a bankroll in a hurry. I know that dropping down was difficult for me in my run from $1 to $20,000. When I first played in the $25/$50 game, I lost. Sticking to my rules, I dropped down to the $10/$25 game. I had a losing streak there and had to go down to $5/$10. That was tough. After playing $25/$50, a $5/$10 game was boring to me.

But I had the discipline to stick to my rules, and that motivated me to play better at the lower levels. I really didn't want to lose any more because I knew the consequences: I'd have to play even lower and work even harder to get back to where I'd been, which could take as long as a month. If you ever find yourself bored or frustrated playing at the lower limits, you're obviously not playing well. Take a break from the game. Often, stepping away can give you a fresh perspective and heightened motivation to play well when you return.

There are a couple of more tips I'd like to share regarding bankroll management. First, you should never play in a game that is beyond your bankroll simply because the game seems to be soft that day. It's never soft enough to risk money that puts your bankroll in jeopardy. The other point is that you should avoid playing in games that are at the top of your bankroll limits, when a lower game offers more opportunity for profit."

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/chris-ferguson-challenge

All Thee Best Thumbs Up


These rules are way too aggressive BRM,if I went with this I wouldve went broke at least 20 times by now Big Smile
@mreid,your game selection is very variance-heavy. If you play mostly MTTs,especially those large fields,it can take hundreds of tourneys until you will get a deep run in something. My MTT graph also has a streak of about 550 MTTs without any significant cash,and thats not even much compared to what some MTT-only players have.
Maybe try focussing on SNGs more since they have less variance.

     
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