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  30-Jul-12, 06:34   #1
PLO, Whats your move? 0 
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PokerStars Hand #84037254823: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) -
2012/07/30 1:30:20 ET
Table 'Pasiphae' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: gombostibi ($0.61 in chips)
Seat 2: bigred511 ($2.45 in chips)
Seat 3: Raymund2468 ($2.99 in chips)
Seat 4: Evelyn1958 ($2.84 in chips)
Seat 5: vllaid ($2.03 in chips)
Seat 6: Ginokix ($1.38 in chips)
gombostibi: posts small blind $0.01
bigred511: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Raymund2468 [Ac Kd Ad 3h]
Raymund2468: calls $0.02
Evelyn1958: folds
vllaid: folds
Ginokix: folds
gombostibi: calls $0.01
bigred511: raises $0.06 to $0.08
Raymund2468: raises $0.18 to $0.26
gombostibi: folds
bigred511: raises $0.18 to $0.44
Raymund2468: raises $0.90 to $1.34
bigred511: raises $0.90 to $2.24
Raymund2468: raises $0.75 to $2.99 and is all-in
bigred511: calls $0.21 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.54) returned to Raymund2468
*** FLOP *** [4d Jh 6h]
*** TURN *** [4d Jh 6h] Jack of spades
*** RIVER *** [4d Jh 6h Js] 5 of hearts
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bigred511: shows [Qh Qc 4h 8d] (a flush, Queen high)
Raymund2468: mucks hand
bigred511 collected $4.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.92 | Rake $0.17
Board [4d Jh 6h Js 5h]
Seat 1: gombostibi (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: bigred511 (big blind) showed [Qh Qc 4h 8d] and won ($4.75) with
a flush, Queen high
Seat 3: Raymund2468 mucked [Ac Kd Ad 3h]
Seat 4: Evelyn1958 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: vllaid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Ginokix (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

---> what will you do on that? Angry

  30-Jul-12, 07:13   #2

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PLO - > Standard. Especially at that level - people are pretty much willing to get all their money in pre with any 4 cards, especially if it includes any high pair.

Any way - my PLO line is always the same -> Click some buttons -> swear a lot -> smash my laptop, easy game

  30-Jul-12, 07:19   #3

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haha! You played the hand perfectly, the guy is a donk for not folding to your 3bet. In PLO, when someone 3bets, you have to assume they have KK or AA unless they are very very loose...

Just keep doing what you do, luck will come your way Blink In PLO, it's all about making big value bets when you hit monsters, and same thing when you have the nuts. AA pre flop is the nuts Blink Of course mixing up your game is important just like in holdem but at this level most people have no idea what they're doing. Just keep telling the truth!

Edited by TheMachineQC (Monday, July 30, 2012 @ 07:25 GMT)

  30-Jul-12, 07:21   #4

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I big pair in Omaha has not the strength preflop, it would have in Hold'em. So situation like in this hand, where your aces are cracked are very common. Get used to it.

  30-Jul-12, 09:23   #5
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In PLO, I dont count much on aces...I will go all in with qj109 double suited rather than aces...if you have aces you are only drawing 2 aces for a set and more usually you end up top pair only...I dont say that your move was bad because your opponent have QQxx but PLO is a flop game...You make big bets after the flop when you have the nuts or drawing to the nuts...and PLO is a high variance game...lossing big hand is standard...you got to have a big BR if you decide to play PLO regularly... and be prepared for downswings...big downswings...

  30-Jul-12, 11:14   #6

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Well, playing AA agressive pre flop is still EV+ because you're gonna be ahead unless the other guy has AA + another big pocket pair. But of course if the only times you raise pre flop you have AA or KK it makes you very predictible. And post flop if you don't hit there's not much you can do except a cbet and shut down if vilain calls.

For exemple, AA46 rainbow is 55%/45% against KKJJ double suit wich looks much cooler. So with AA pre flop, if it's heads up, there no reason not to raise/reraise. (there could be but I'm talking in general)

And against a hand like 5689 double suit, it's pretty much a race, but AA rainbow is still ahead by a couple of %. Thing is you can have AA and be double suited too Big Smile

Edited by TheMachineQC (Monday, July 30, 2012 @ 11:23 GMT)

  30-Jul-12, 12:09   #7
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Location: United Kingdom
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PLO is a post-flop game. If you go all-in preflop you will have to get used to getting busted by worse hands. Of course at these stakes, clearly few players know what they are doing and the other guy massively overvalued his hand. You would never have got him to fold the flop anyway. I hope your bankroll can take it cos variance with PLO at this limit must be unbelievably crazy.

  30-Jul-12, 13:43   #8

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standard play, i wouldve put my money in with the aces. you just got unlucky which is common in PLO, theirs a way to play it at that limit with less varience also, just be extremely passive until you make the nuts then bet the farm and hope no one draws out lol, personally me i like to semibluff flushdraws cuz if i make it then its pot limit payday

  30-Jul-12, 18:04   #9
Joined: Mar '10
Location: Japan
Age: 43 (M)
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You played this hand perfectly, but no luck.
Though PLO aces isn't good as well as Hold'em aces, pre flop all in with AAxx will be +EV action almost always. When you can go all in pre with aces, you should do.

  25-Aug-12, 16:45   #10

Joined: Aug '12
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I don't know I would have gotten involved but re-raises calls just begs for such things happening. Both players committed to the hand once re-raises began getting called. A game of chicken to see who would fold their mediocre hand first...

  25-Aug-12, 17:56   #11
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Location: Belgium
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Personnally i would not go allin with AA when playin omaha.

I would do a raise to get the pot higher so it could become more interesting after the flop but if I get a reraise i would just call and wait after the flop.
This lowers the risk as after the flop you see that there is a flushdraw possible (2 hearts on the table), if you get a raise at that moment you should assume he ll have a flush as a 3rd Heart comes on the table.
So with this table (3 Heart and a pair of J) i would not put much value on my 2 aces as a flush or FH is possible

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