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  31-Jul-12, 22:14   #1
$2650 in 50 days playing SNGs +1 
BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
Hi,just wanna make a little challenge out of this since I dont have a Blog on here Big Smile
As I mentioned a few times before I'm on a Staking+Coaching deal.
For personal reasons I had to do an early cashout,so I'm stuck $2650 in stake money now.
I want to have that money recovered in 50 days time max.
For the beginning I'll solely play $7 SNGs (18 and 45 mans),I dont know if I will be allowed or even want to add higher games later.
My goal is pretty comfortably set seeing I beat the $7 games with a 12% ROI (pre rakeback) while 20+ tabling so I'm confident this will be a successful challenge.
Going by maths it should take me about 3K games to reach my goal which is comfortably reachable for me within 50 days but you never know what variance does to you Big Smile
Site I play on is pokerstars and username is BeMyATMplz (I always have search on,but play mostly in the evening/early night time because table fill up fastest at these times).
I'll try to update every few days with graph etc.

My overall SNG stats at the time of typing this post:
Games/ROI/Profit/Avg. BI/ITM
23145/6%/$13915/$9.64/24%

If you have any SNG specific questions or something feel free to post them,I'll answer as good as I can.

GL every1

     
  31-Jul-12, 22:50   #2
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Jibberish 

Joined: May '11
Location: Canada
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 979
ill rail you every now and then n watch how u doing man, seems like youve been doing good for yaself while ive been gone Big Smile you still play the same?

     
  31-Jul-12, 22:51   #3
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jovicakralj 

Joined: Nov '10
Location: Serbia
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 2075
GL bemy! I will follow your progress for sure. And Im sure you will make it!

     
  31-Jul-12, 22:59   #4
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
@Jibberish: played $7s back then as well I think. Until a month or so ago I was grinding all 18 mans from $15-$60 but I simply cant take the swings mentally atm (swinging 1K up/down in 1 day happened quite frequently) and I was beating the games @ low ROI (2% ROI @ $15s,ironically 4% @ $30s).
Playing $7s I can always get 20+ tables up without having to mix different buy ins,and I can make $1/game on average easily,which I couldnt @ $15s at least.
I'm gonna take another shot @ the higher stakes once I completed this challenge tho,earning VPPs so much faster (these $15-$60 grinds got me very comfortably ahead of Supernova pace (only 26K VPPs to go)).

@Jovi: Thanks alot Smile

     
  31-Jul-12, 23:24   #5
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erru9107 
Joined: Oct '11
Location: Sweden
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 910
Good luck man! I'm sure you're gonna do great based in your stats!

And then for a question: I'm having a hard time figuring out what type of player I really am.. I've been playing cashgames successfully, tournaments successfully and Sit&Go's relatively successfully. Of course it isn't that good to mix up all of these different styles to play and I want to try and master Sit&Go's. So my question is: Do you have any general tips on how to play them? I mainly play the $3 6-player Hyper Turbo Sit&Go's on PartyPoker. The idea is that blinds go up every 3 minutes and you only start with 500 chips. Do you have any suggestion on how you should play those?

     
  31-Jul-12, 23:59   #6
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Flippedchips 

Joined: Dec '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 2087
Gl m8 but i am confident you will do it too Smile Go get em Cool Thumbs Up

     
  1-Aug-12, 00:45   #7
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
Posted by erru9107:
Good luck man! I'm sure you're gonna do great based in your stats!

And then for a question: I'm having a hard time figuring out what type of player I really am.. I've been playing cashgames successfully, tournaments successfully and Sit&Go's relatively successfully. Of course it isn't that good to mix up all of these different styles to play and I want to try and master Sit&Go's. So my question is: Do you have any general tips on how to play them? I mainly play the $3 6-player Hyper Turbo Sit&Go's on PartyPoker. The idea is that blinds go up every 3 minutes and you only start with 500 chips. Do you have any suggestion on how you should play those?


There is no problem with mixing cash/SNGs/MTTs as long as you are winning player in all formats and I'd also suggest you not to mix them into the same session (at least cash should solely be played with other cash tables,mixing SNGs and MTTs at once is okay if you can handle it).
As for SNGs in general,it depends what your strengths in SNG play are.
If your push/fold & calling ranges are one of your biggest strenths I'd suggest grinding 2 or more table SNGs because a higher ROI can be achieved in these.
If ICM (Independant Chip Model,you will need it to become a strong player,in case you dont know it google it to find out more) is a strength of your game I would suggest single table SNGs because they have a permanent ICM factor (multi table SNGs dont until the FT and thus being strong in ICM isnt as important there).
As for ICM or STT push/fold play in general,I'd suggest you to download a programm like Sit & Go Wizard. There you can practise (mathematicly) correct pushing & calling ranges as well as payout-based play (thats when ICM comes into affect).
The ranges SNGWiz will give arent optimal because it doesnt consider future value,but it can often give you a good idea.
Just play around with that tool and your push/fold play should improve drastically.

As for hyper turbos,I'm not a really big fan of them because they low ROI possibilities while swings are very very huge,but if you can handle the swings there's nothing wrong with playing them.
In general hyper turbos are the format you could practise with SNGWiz best because for the most part they are push/fold play,so if you wanna play them definitely check it out.
I wouldnt recommend playing them on party tho,party has high rake at micros as far as I remember while the VIP reward programm is terrible unless you play midstakes at the least,so I would recommend you switching to stars or IPoker (Ipoker only if you can find a good Rakeback deal that gives you like 50%+ tho).
So yeah,for hypers or SNGs in general,download SNGWiz,play around with it,get an idea of correct pushing and calling ranges and all that stuff and then go from there Blink

@ Flipped: Thanks Smile

Just finished my last session,played 140 games or so,gonna update tomorrow I guess Blink


     
  1-Aug-12, 01:18   #8
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retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 1490
Posted by BeMyATMplz:
For personal reasons I had to do an early cashout,so I'm stuck $2650 in stake money now.


Sorry if I'm wrong, but the way I read that is, you withdrew money that was part of your stake. Again, I apologize if I'm wrong, but if that's the case I'd say that's a big no-no. I'm assuming your staker knew and approved of it, but still.

Good luck with the grind either way, seems like you're a beast. I'm just glad you're playing the levels above me, so I don't have to run into you at the tables Smile

     
  1-Aug-12, 01:21   #9
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Jibberish 

Joined: May '11
Location: Canada
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 979
im horrible at sit n goes, but i know i can play heads up Big Smile im much to laggy for SnG's i always bust on the bubble, ATM we're gonna have to play some SnG's together when i make my roll back

     
  1-Aug-12, 02:22   #10
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ayaraled 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Philippines
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 544
Good Luck Be with your goals..

About the question, I understand that SNG is a push or fold game when 4 players are remaining and the blind are quite high.. When im short stack, UTG push K10+, 22+, Ax, on the button UTG folds J10+, q7,Kx, 22+, Ax, Small blinds UTG fold, Button fold, K10+,Ax,22+, Big blind if any calls, KQ+,A10+,55+. I usually fold if there is a raise alreade.. I just move all in with AK,88+.

If my stack is big, i usually A10+,88+,KQ+ against a short stack shove..

Is this shoving range OK for say a tight and a loose table?

     
  1-Aug-12, 03:08   #11
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retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
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Posted by ayaraled:
Good Luck Be with your goals..

About the question, I understand that SNG is a push or fold game when 4 players are remaining and the blind are quite high.. When im short stack, UTG push K10+, 22+, Ax, on the button UTG folds J10+, q7,Kx, 22+, Ax, Small blinds UTG fold, Button fold, K10+,Ax,22+, Big blind if any calls, KQ+,A10+,55+. I usually fold if there is a raise alreade.. I just move all in with AK,88+.

If my stack is big, i usually A10+,88+,KQ+ against a short stack shove..

Is this shoving range OK for say a tight and a loose table?


I'd say against a loose table, that's a good calling range. Personally I probably call a8+, A2s+, 77+ and k10+ if I'm the big stack, but it depends on the stats of who's shoving. Against a tighter table, of course I'll call a bit tighter.

If you're short stack, you should be shoving pretty much ATC on the button, and a bit tighter the closer to BB you are. When you're shortest stack, you have to be slightly more aggressive and shove wider, because quite often the medium stacks will avoid you because they don't want to risk their stack. You will get called a bit wider as a rule, but you also can't afford to keep getting blinded down and lose any fold equity you may have.

     
  1-Aug-12, 06:37   #12
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
Thats really an interesting challenge you have there but i would like to know a bit more details.

You'll only play these game on pokerstars or you\ll also play on other poker platforms?

Also make sure to keep us posted daily Big Smile

     
  1-Aug-12, 11:06   #13
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
Posted by retribution:
Posted by BeMyATMplz:
For personal reasons I had to do an early cashout,so I'm stuck $2650 in stake money now.


Sorry if I'm wrong, but the way I read that is, you withdrew money that was part of your stake. Again, I apologize if I'm wrong, but if that's the case I'd say that's a big no-no. I'm assuming your staker knew and approved of it, but still.


The money is part of my stake,but it was my stakers suggestion after I explained him my situation. I talked to him and he said "withdraw what you need and keep grinding $7s for us please,we believe you'll be +EV in 7s forever so we're not taking a risk I'm sure Smile",and here we are now Tongue
THere's really not a very great difference between the $1.50s and the $7s in terms of how tough they are,except that the 7s get more and more reginfested now,but about 90% of the regs playing them are nitregs with a low winrate so I'm confident I'll be 10% ROI longterm in them for a long time still

@ ayaraled: it depends on the SNG-Format and then it also depends on the blinds and exact stack distribution between the players,fact is you can't per-se set a range for a "rough" situation. In ICM situations there are situations where you as bigstack have to shove any2 cards and then there are other situations where you can (or should) call a shove with only QQ+ because the stacks-setup is retarded,so I can't answer your question because it's not specific enough and because every situation varies, but if you have specific hand histories that you have a question about feel free to post them Blink

@Macubaas: Pokerstars is the only site I play on Blink

I'll post in this thread daily if there are questions,but I'll update only every couple of days I think,otherwise I'd run out of sharkscope searches and also daily results don't matter anyways because a samplesize of about 100 games is totally meaningless Smile
& ty for the gl wishes every1 Smile

     
  1-Aug-12, 11:10   #14
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noonlion 

Joined: Mar '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 1277
Good luck, I'm sure you'll do great.

sounds like a doable challenge too, enough of a goal to push you but not ott hard.

Get it done!

Btw, how do you manage 20 tables at a time????????????????????

     
  1-Aug-12, 11:15   #15
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
20 tables are pretty easy,usually I have more up (on AVG. about 25 but I'm loading up to 35 if games fill fast enough).
Tableninja (a programm,there is a 30 days trial) supports me with betsizes and against annoying popups but I could manage about 30 tables regardless.
The key is to stack tables above each other because that reduces your mouse-movement so you can act much faster,if I was tiling tables I think my cap would be 20 tables max.

EDIT: Oh and it probably doesnt hurt that I have a gaming backround Big Smile

     
  1-Aug-12, 12:24   #16
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Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4764
I was trying to see how much have you already invested in this challenge but i realized i didn’t had enough data to calculate that. The avarage buy-in of your games is $9.64, and you already played 23145 games, but this number of games isn’t equivalent to the amount of buy-ins, or else you wouldn’t be doing profits, this should be the number of hands played. Do you have na idea of how much you already invested in buy-ins, just to see the difference between the amount invested and the profit. If you can’t, it’s ok, what’s important is that you keep doing well at the tables as you’re doing now. I’ll try to check on you one of this days/nights. GL!

     
  1-Aug-12, 12:44   #17
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
Dont really know for sure what you mean,but I get it you want to know how many $'s I spent in buy ins lifetime?
That can be easily calculated because the 23145 is indeed the amount of SNGs I played,not my number of hands (last time I checked my HEM (I play without HUD now tho) I had about 1.7 Million hands logged (might be 1.8 million by now tho),that includes all my MTTs as well though).
23145*$9.64 = $223117.80 (thats the amount of $'s I spent in buy ins before this challenge)

     
  1-Aug-12, 15:56   #18
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10011
Thats some big number for buy ins spent. But probably you got a nice number
earned too since they are staking you.
I wonder how many hours you play per day, reaching so many tournaments

     
  1-Aug-12, 22:24   #19
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
Posted by Mober:
Thats some big number for buy ins spent. But probably you got a nice number
earned too since they are staking you.
I wonder how many hours you play per day, reaching so many tournaments


Oh not too much,but it depends when I play (which decides about how fast the SNGs fill).
If I'm playing during primetime and I reg every $7 18 man that opens I need like 3 hours max. for 100+ SNGs because I can 30 table pretty much anytime I want.
If I'm playing in the morning the tables fill painfully slow so that I'm 15 tabling or even less sometimes.
So I cant really give you a number but my rough estimation would be that nowdays I play about 3-4 hours per day on average.

     
  2-Aug-12, 03:18   #20
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GomerAssassi 
Joined: Jul '11
Location: Canada
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 151
didn't read every ones post but nice stats, except for the ITM at 24%. maybe less multi-tabling will bring that up a bit.

good luck on your goal!!!

     
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