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  24-Aug-12, 16:32   #1
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
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again an idiot loss vs a bigstack in a MTT just before the pay-out

I had 4000 chips (position 25/34 players, top 30 in payout, blinds 75-150

I got AA in middle position, all folded , i raised 4BB , the bigstack on the button called (15000 chips), the others folded

flop : 3 Diamond Q Club 7 Spade

I went all-in (this pot would get me for sure into the payout)

he called and showed 7 Diamond and K Heart

on the turn 9 Diamond and the river 2 Diamond

The bigstack hiited a flush and I went out as I did not have the ace of Diamond

Can anyone explain me why that bigstack makes such idiot calls



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typo , the turn was 3 Diamond Q Club and 7 Diamond

Edited by thefly131 (Friday, August 24, 2012 @ 17:35 GMT)


     
  24-Aug-12, 17:47   #2
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Mysik86 

Joined: Nov '11
Location: Poland
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Posted by thefly131:
again an idiot loss vs a bigstack in a MTT just before the pay-out

I had 4000 chips (position 25/34 players, top 30 in payout, blinds 75-150

I got AA in middle position, all folded , i raised 4BB , the bigstack on the button called (15000 chips), the others folded

flop : 3 Diamond Q Club 7 Spade

I went all-in (this pot would get me for sure into the payout)

he called and showed 7 Diamond and K Heart

on the turn 9 Diamond and the river 2 Diamond

The bigstack hiited a flush and I went out as I did not have the ace of Diamond

Can anyone explain me why that bigstack makes such idiot calls



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typo , the turn was 3 Diamond Q Club and 7 Diamond


Flop was 7 Diamond and he call with 7 Diamond? CHEAT Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
  24-Aug-12, 19:15   #3
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erru9107 
Joined: Oct '11
Location: Sweden
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Posts: 910
Posted by Mysik86:
Posted by thefly131:
again an idiot loss vs a bigstack in a MTT just before the pay-out

I had 4000 chips (position 25/34 players, top 30 in payout, blinds 75-150

I got AA in middle position, all folded , i raised 4BB , the bigstack on the button called (15000 chips), the others folded

flop : 3 Diamond Q Club 7 Spade

I went all-in (this pot would get me for sure into the payout)

he called and showed 7 Diamond and K Heart

on the turn 9 Diamond and the river 2 Diamond

The bigstack hiited a flush and I went out as I did not have the ace of Diamond

Can anyone explain me why that bigstack makes such idiot calls



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typo , the turn was 3 Diamond Q Club and 7 Diamond


Flop was 7 Diamond and he call with 7 Diamond? CHEAT Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile


I second that ^ unless I get to see a handhistory instead of "free writing".

     
  24-Aug-12, 19:23   #4
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
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Posts: 8628
Posted by Mysik86:
Flop was 7 Diamond and he call with 7 Diamond? CHEAT Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

nope that's the new and updated pokerstars! with such new and cool features like "the rigged deck", "the fake opponents" and last but not least "the disappearing money from your account"- please have a look around the site and enjoy yourself. have a nice day from pokerstars special features department Big Smile

     
  24-Aug-12, 19:35   #5
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retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
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Wow, rigtards really do pull out all the stops when it comes to trying to "prove" it's rigged, including fabricating hand histories where 2 of the same card appear.


     
  24-Aug-12, 20:58   #6
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
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Probably he thought that you bluff him, and by the way many would not agree with your move but i kinda like it Smile

Many times you won stacks on cash games with similar moves, the problem is that those two spades on the flop in your case, so maybe a big cbet would have been a better course of action.

     
  25-Aug-12, 01:52   #7
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rbdflyboy 

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....just as confused as u r... Confused

     
  26-Aug-12, 02:20   #8
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awood88 
Joined: Feb '08
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Posted by thefly131:
again an idiot loss vs a bigstack in a MTT just before the pay-out

I had 4000 chips (position 25/34 players, top 30 in payout, blinds 75-150

I got AA in middle position, all folded , i raised 4BB , the bigstack on the button called (15000 chips), the others folded

flop : 3 Diamond Q Club 7 Spade

I went all-in (this pot would get me for sure into the payout)

he called and showed 7 Diamond and K Heart

on the turn 9 Diamond and the river 2 Diamond

The bigstack hiited a flush and I went out as I did not have the ace of Diamond

Can anyone explain me why that bigstack makes such idiot calls



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typo , the turn was 3 Diamond Q Club and 7 Diamond


Lol. Well if you will play at sites that reward 4 card flushes and/or double up cards.

Seriously though - You go all-in for 3400 with a pot of 1425. It doesn't look like you have a Q with a good kicker. You wouldn't expect to be called by anything less than KQ, (ironically) so you're overbet is screaming that you don't want to be called. This could easily be a c-bet with AK and more often than not AK would be ahead.

Against a flush draw (if he had the Kd that would not be a hand he'd put you on) it would be exactly 50/50. Against a pair of Qs he is only 25% underdog and that's the worse case scenario in his head. As he is big stack he can afford to lose this hand and the chance of knocking a player out is an inviting bonus. I don't mean to justify his call but I can understand it is what I'm saying. I don't think this hand is that unusual or even something to be complained about. Aggressive big stacks that play too loose are good in the long run.

     
  26-Aug-12, 11:28   #9
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remco2504 
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Netherlands
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I think he made a few mistakes making this tread ... i hope for him..

Because even i dont like people defending "rigged online poker" like this...

It does SEEM fabricated with the 4 card flush he first claimed and then turned the 7 of spades on the flop into the 7 of diamonds "typo" he claimed.
Then his opponnent would have the flush ...with two sevens of diamond ???

Hope he was just stoned and didnt see the difference between suites anymore ...

     
  26-Aug-12, 15:13   #10
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DaCapo71 
Joined: Aug '10
Location: Germany
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Posts: 1704
Sometimes it can be +ev to call all allins for a big stack vs. a low stack. He had a good fold equity against other players and he had in many cases 40:60 situations or better. For players who get a suckout it is verry hard to loose with the better hand.

     
  26-Aug-12, 16:57   #11
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Greenmohave 

Joined: Jan '11
Location: United States
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Yeah, that crap happens to often and the player should have probably folded, but you know how the big stacks play in the case there's a chance they could pull out the hand. It's obvious he / she was hoping for the flush, but after only one on the flop to hit runner, runner is just sick.

     
  28-Aug-12, 00:48   #12
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noonlion 

Joined: Mar '12
Location: United Kingdom
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There should be a worldwide network assault team ready to track down the IP address of someone who wins a pot like that, then they go their house by Apache helicopter, quietly enter then storm the house until they find the culprit, sitting at their desk, shitting it.
And then, all they do is rip out the modem, and like a ghost they are gone, while leaving they say, 'If we catch you playing outrageous poker again, we know where you live.'

     
  28-Aug-12, 03:51   #13
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3pokeronly 

Joined: Jul '12
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Posted by remco2504:
I think he made a few mistakes making this tread ... i hope for him..

Because even i dont like people defending "rigged online poker" like this...

It does SEEM fabricated with the 4 card flush he first claimed and then turned the 7 of spades on the flop into the 7 of diamonds "typo" he claimed.
Then his opponnent would have the flush ...with two sevens of diamond ???

Hope he was just stoned and didnt see the difference between suites anymore ...


Well we all make mistakes, like the missing "h" in the reply quoted above to the original thread, more to foalloowww.

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I think 4 x bb in this position is not enough, push hard and commit to the pot, big stack would not normally call, if he knows your committed, idiot's and maniac's aside. Most can not and will not put you on a bluff with such a bet, most will not call and you take the pot down there and then, not a huge pot but extra chips to play with and much much safer. Running an if scenario, let's assume you slow played to "make value" and he hit 2 pair, would you have been able to fold? Hard fold, commit early and hang on for your next hand and then the money. good luck on the tables.

Edited by 3pokeronly (Tuesday, August 28, 2012 @ 04:00 GMT)


     
  28-Aug-12, 07:57   #14
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Sorin888 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
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Theese things happen very often,small stack has better hand after flop,call all in,and the big stack calls and win after river.Is the way in allmost poker room.The software decide the winner with big stack,or the player with bigger rake.This is business on online poker

     
  28-Aug-12, 08:35   #15
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remco2504 
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 579
Posted by Sorin888:
Theese things happen very often,small stack has better hand after flop,call all in,and the big stack calls and win after river.Is the way in allmost poker room.The software decide the winner with big stack,or the player with bigger rake.This is business on online poker


With other words ....RIGGED !!

Agree

     
  28-Aug-12, 09:39   #16
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occultum 
Joined: Aug '11
Location: Portugal
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 232
lol riggaments.. Sad

He probably thought you was stealing i believe. You're a lowstack almost at the bubble.. If that's really the BB then you had something like 26BB which is not that low .. (i kinda doubt that was the bb at the bubble of any tournament tho) .. so i would NEVER call 30bb even if i think it's a steal with K7.

Btw you posted aswell 3 diamonds on the table and 1 in opponent hand.. people are hitting 4 card flushes now ? :O

Btw how come you was almost on the payouts with 75/150 bliinds? That is very weird.
You got sucked out sure but that's life man. Just lost AA vs KK yesterday aswell and the other day on pokerstars even better.. i hit the nutflush on the turn.. the bastard hits quads on the river. Rigged? No, if there's a odd there's a chance!

Edited by occultum (Tuesday, August 28, 2012 @ 09:43 GMT)


     
  29-Aug-12, 03:21   #17
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fcumred 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 1238
Utter crap...

No way would there be 34 players left in with the blind levels as low as 75/150.

For there to be 30 players paid, there has to be at least 300 players in the game and there is no way 260 of them will be gone by the time the blinds reach that low level.

Why you would come on here making up stories about bad beats that didn't happen god only knows.

     
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