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  10-Sep-12, 13:37   #1
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awood88 
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You're playing a live full-ring hand of nl holdem when you get the nuts on the flop. The player to your right picks his cards up right off the table and you catch a glimpse of his cards before he bets out. There are other players still in the hand so what do you do?

A. You announce that you have seen his cards. They are exposed and his hand is folded.
B. You say nothing in case it jeopardizes the hand. It's not your fault you saw them and you shouldn't lose out.
C. You use the information to help you gain more profit from the hand. It helps you put other players on a hand too so you can guess whether to bet out or let them catch up.
D. In the interest of fairness you wait until the betting round is over or until it circles back round to that player.
E. Depends on whether the cards are important. If they are not particularly important on that flop they should be exposed immediately and folded. If they could influence the hand, you wait until other players have acted.
F. You only expose the hand if you feel it will help your case. If you think the betting will be more aggressive if you don't show the cards you stay silent.

     
  10-Sep-12, 13:46   #2
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erru9107 
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I will probably seem like an a**hole but I would just keep my mouth shut. It really isn't my fault if I saw his cards. I think that it's his own responsibility to keep his own cards hidden from the other players at the table. If he failed to do so then it's his own fault.

I should add that it's not his fault if I was trying to see his cards in which case I would be cheating and just to be clear, I would never ever do that!

     
  10-Sep-12, 13:55   #3
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MarcWinz 

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Hi Awood. I think a combination of B & C would be my answer, although, put to the test answer C. If he exposed his hand and it was only his fault well hard luck. If it is because is holding his hand exposing his hand every hand I would make it known.

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  10-Sep-12, 17:09   #4
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B1gfoot 

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If it was a dealer fault I would say, but in this situation you have to teach him a lesson.
Stay calm and carry on, use the info in the best way you can to maxamise profit.

     
  10-Sep-12, 17:55   #5
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retribution 

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Well I think in pretty much any case, just because you see another players hole cards, doesn't mean the hand is killed or they are folded out.

Realistically, I think saying something would just piss that player off, as well as the other players in the hand. I'd just keep my mouth shut, and play the hand out. It's not like the player has any point to argue, if you have the stone cold nuts you're going to win the hand regardless of seeing his cards. Sure it may influence how you bet, but you've already won the hand anyways so it'd have little effect.

Perhaps taking the player aside after and saying "hey, you might want to be more careful when you look at your cards" would be nice. But then again it's poker, and exploiting ANY edge you have is the name of the game. It's not YOUR fault they don't know how to keep their cards hidden.

     
  10-Sep-12, 18:49   #6
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Greenmohave 

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The moral thing to do is to let the player know, but I'm not going down that road due to it's happened. Actually retribution hit it on the head! Besides this guy being drunk it was my fault for looking although one couldn't help it. It came down to okay then "What did I have" I stated I only seen one card, but there was a lot of red since we were playing stud.
It nearly ended in a brawl, but was broken up. What's bad is we're friends, but when one is drinking and acusing me of having crap cards and wanting a redeal it becomes hilarious.

So, I guess I'll shut my mouth! lol

     
  10-Sep-12, 22:25   #7
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retribution 

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Posted by Greenmohave:
The moral thing to do is to let the player know, but I'm not going down that road due to it's happened. Actually retribution hit it on the head! Besides this guy being drunk it was my fault for looking although one couldn't help it. It came down to okay then "What did I have" I stated I only seen one card, but there was a lot of red since we were playing stud.
It nearly ended in a brawl, but was broken up. What's bad is we're friends, but when one is drinking and acusing me of having crap cards and wanting a redeal it becomes hilarious.

So, I guess I'll shut my mouth! lol


Well, the way to look at is this. Everyone sitting at the table wants to win, but there are good players and bad ones. The good ones win the bad ones money, and the bad ones try and justify why they lost. We've all heard the bad beat stories, and read the "rigged" threads. By openly admitting you saw another players hand, it opens the door to a whole slew of "oh, he's just winning because he was cheating" accusations. No amount of trying to explain to a bad player that they lost because you're better than they are will get you out of that situation, and it could end up with hurt feelings or even some bruises.

Besides, like Amarillo Slim said - "It's immoral to let a sucker keep their money".

     
  11-Sep-12, 05:13   #8
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Mysik86 

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Of course - B... When you play live, you must avoid these situations... Your fault Blink

     
  11-Sep-12, 05:37   #9
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fatalsilence 
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i would go with B, players fault for not covering up his cards right.
who knows might benifit yourself, also being honest might lead to someone blaming you for cheating.

     
  11-Sep-12, 06:00   #10
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Redvulture61 
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I would choose B and then tell him afterwards that lifting your cards up is not a good idea as people maybe able to them. Big Smile

     
  11-Sep-12, 07:18   #11
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Fakiry 

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I am sorry to answer this, but i wouldn't do none of these options. Instead, i would go all-in when it comes to my time to talk, no matter the decisions of any other players that talked before me. This is the best way to be fair without suffering much with it. Remember you said we were nuts at the flop (you don't say nothing about the amount of chips, but lets consider everyone was similar) so going all-in is being true in the game.

     
  11-Sep-12, 07:33   #12
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Macubaas 
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It really doesn't matter if you have the nuts on flop that you saw his hand or not, i mean you definately know that you have the best hand and he has a weaker hand...

Even if you do not have the nuts is his fault that he can't handle the cards properly...

     
  11-Sep-12, 08:20   #13
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MIGO14 
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Well, didn´t read all the other answers, but according to your description we flopped the nuts in this hand. So it doesn´t matter if I saw his hand or hand of someones else, because I have the nuts.
So I play the hand to maximize my winning.

     
  11-Sep-12, 10:05   #14
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uhhcallmi 

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i try to knock this player out in this hand,,take his whole stack,after he probably leave the table ,unless he wants to rebuy, if not,,he wouldn't even know why he lost and go home...

if a similar thing happened to me and i'd show my cards by accident to a player ,i'm sure he would
try to maximize his profit over me.

sometimes you just have to pay to learn ,and not make these silly mistakes in the future.

however if it was a dealer mistake ,i'd warn the dealer to pay more attention and deal in the correct way or ask for another dealer.

     
  11-Sep-12, 11:47   #15
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DaCapo71 
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I say nothing but play my own hand only when i have a ggod hand. I do not bluffing and fold, when i have a crap hand. I think this was fair enough.

     
  11-Sep-12, 11:58   #16
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marqis 

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I never played live. Is there no rule or etiquette for this situation?

I.e. should you tell the person privately, announce it to the table, wait for a particular time to tell, or what?

I would tell the person to be more careful. And I would be sure to let him know that I'm slightly annoyed by it, because it put's me in an awkward position.

Most likely I would pose the question as a hypothetical to the table, to determine what to do...

     
  11-Sep-12, 13:25   #17
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magatt966 

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Well, never played live except for home games with friends from time to time and would announce it loud in these kind of games.

I guess I wouldn't say anything in casino or club games: so my choice is B) ....with a little bit of C) as well Cool

     
  13-Sep-12, 17:23   #18
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PiPa_92 

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I vote B.
B. You say nothing in case it jeopardizes the hand. It's not your fault you saw them and you shouldn't lose out.

Not rule out the E
E. Depends on whether the cards are important. If they are not particularly important on that flop they should be exposed immediately and folded. If they could influence the hand, you wait until other players have acted.

Greetings!

     
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