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  11-Sep-12, 09:05   #1
unfair mtt rules or i just have been ripped ????? by a lozer 0 
issi1976 

Joined: Jan '12
Location: Netherlands
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 163
Hello all i want to let you see something and can you tell me what you think about it in my option this is totally unfair

yesterday i played an mtt at unibet won the pot did not get the chips later i read something about if someone gets disconnected you do not get the chips

if i have got it right someone calls the river if you go all in he loses and shuts his internet real quick in offline and you are left whit shet


because i did not get the chips like in the hand history but i had only 1700 chips







** Hand # 4554766629 starting - 2012-09-10 16:51:35
** €50 Unibet Freeroll NLHE[7188057]:Table 188 [Multi Table Hold'em] (10|20 NL - MTT) Real Money

jezups4 sitting in seat 1 with 1460.00
BulgarianPro sitting in seat 2 with 1500.00[Sitting out]
petje1 sitting in seat 3 with 1390.00
lillaego81 sitting in seat 4 with 3060.00
ismael1976 sitting in seat 5 with 1500.00
SashoAgain sitting in seat 6 with 1500.00
dropplease sitting in seat 7 with 1600.00
Boi1301 sitting in seat 8 with 1470.00
extrabuxador sitting in seat 9 with 1560.00
YDdraigGoch sitting in seat 10 with 1460.00[Dealer]
jezups4 posted the small blind - 10.00
BulgarianPro posted the big blind - 20.00

** Dealing cards to ismael1976: Ad, 10d
petje1 raised to 60.00
lillaego81 called - 60.00
ismael1976 called - 60.00
SashoAgain folded
dropplease called - 60.00
Boi1301 folded
extrabuxador folded
YDdraigGoch folded
jezups4 folded
BulgarianPro folded

** Dealing the flop: 7c, Ac, 4h
petje1 checked
lillaego81 checked
ismael1976 bet - 280.00
dropplease folded
petje1 folded
lillaego81 called - 280.00

** Dealing the turn: 2h
lillaego81 checked
ismael1976 went all-in - 1160.00
lillaego81 called - 1160.00
lillaego81 shows: 3c, 3d
ismael1976 shows: Ad, 10d

** Dealing the river: Jc
ismael1976 wins 3150.00 from the main pot

thats not treu i did not get 3150 i had only 1700 chips after this pot realy unfair

Edited by issi1976 (Tuesday, September 11, 2012 @ 09:17 GMT)

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  11-Sep-12, 10:38   #2
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
It's called Disconnection Protection, it can easily be abused.. It's really odd that DP is active for a tournament; that's really unfair.

Usually DP is restricted to cash games, all sites handle it a bit different. I've never seen it in play for a MTT before, that sucks balls. I wouldn't play there any more if I were you.

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Just re-reading your hand history.. That doesn't make any sense actually play 'lillaego81' was already allin BEFORE he disconnected, so DP shouldn't be in affect at all.. I would complain to the site, that's b******t.

EDIT: sorry, lillaego81 wans't allin, you were - but same difference. There was already no more betting before he disconnected.. That rule makes no sense, that is total b******t, definitely complain and if nothing is done leave the site.

Edited by jessthehuman (Tuesday, September 11, 2012 @ 10:42 GMT)


     
  11-Sep-12, 12:06   #3
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MIGO14 
Joined: Mar '11
Location: Germany
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 1235
Wow, this is really crazy.
Never ever thought about this Disconnection Protection in this way and never saw it before.
Because of the fact I have a good and stable internet I nearly never have recognized it in my own play (I guess maybe one time at a cash table at Party).
Was this guy back in the tournament after this hand ???

     
  11-Sep-12, 12:40   #4
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issi1976 

Joined: Jan '12
Location: Netherlands
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 163
i know what you mean whit disconnection protection but this is realy a cheaters option how they build it in the tournament

someone cant take it that he has lost puts off internet real quick thats real easy and you are never going to see the chips you have won



first i thought i was creazy and that i didnt see it good so i went to hand history

so now it was only for 50€ freeroll so no problem

but this has totally no sense someone called the river he has lost as you can see and he disconnects

why should they protect someone after the loss if its before okay but this was after that he already lost

tottally shet rule


am not going to complain i only want to shair it because this was my first time and i dont take that site serious now

it was my first day there and i never played the brm freerolls there but the one who made that rule


for that tournament must be some kind off idiot protecting someone after a loss how the fuckkkks that possible




( o and Migo14 as you see he had 3060 chips i had 1500 so after that pot he had 1560 left)

so yes he was 1500 down


but what i am asking my self now is did they give him the chips back or not because i couldnt see that anymore

because they replaced him to another table because if that is so you can go every hand all in and if you lose disconnect

maybe the new trick ??????

Edited by issi1976 (Tuesday, September 11, 2012 @ 12:53 GMT)

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  11-Sep-12, 14:43   #5
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awood88 
Joined: Feb '08
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Do you have the hand history for the next hand so we can see exactly how many chips you had. I do not understand why you would have 1700 if you started with 1500. Disconnection protection should be there to stop you from timing out and folding the best hand (if it should be used in mtt as I'm not sure about that) but it can't void the hand altogether, so assuming his last call was invalid you should have got the chips bet up to the turn. There's no logic in what you say happened.

I think you have a duty to complain. Otherwise this bug in the system will continue and next time it could be in a really important hand. It's clearly unfair and the situation has not been accounted for when they came up with the rules/programing. You are called all-in and there is no more betting so DP should be auto turned off before the hand finishes. Please complain.

     
  11-Sep-12, 18:07   #6
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10045
If everything happened the way you said it did, then you need to contact support
and clear things up, as to what happened and why.
Get some screenshots from your hand history to back you up.

     
  11-Sep-12, 18:11   #7
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grahamy27 
Joined: Dec '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
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he could have 1700 from blinds.but how do u know they moved him to another table instead of actually puting him out?

this is a mad hand if it happened but it states that you got the chips and from past times DP has been used with me if connection lost he just gets chips he had invested he sits frozen out but his hand is still live..if he wins he gets what ever but your hand plays..but that doesnt seemed to have happened...I would defo have a complaint lodged Evil

     
  11-Sep-12, 23:31   #8
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
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Posted by grahamy27:
he could have 1700 from blinds.


Yes, other players called the blinds and then folded their hands.

But yes, if this really went down the way you're saying, you should complain cause it's b******t.

     
  11-Sep-12, 23:45   #9
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noonlion 

Joined: Mar '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 1277
MAn that is fucked up.

Never seen anything like it on a poker site. The fact he wasn't all-in is the only reason I can think that some wierd Unibet thing handed him the chips when he disconnected.

He had double your stack so wasn't all-in clearly, but the fact you had the winning hand just makes no sense - they maybe have a disconnect protect whereby if they shove they can't lose money but even in that case you'd get your half of the chips back.

Shady software in effect.

     
  12-Sep-12, 07:29   #10
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
Frankly i'm a bit surprised to find out about this on a tournament...

From my experience i know that disconnect protection is available only on cash games for obvious reasons but never heard about DP on a tournament so far Confused

     
  12-Sep-12, 13:26   #11
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issi1976 

Joined: Jan '12
Location: Netherlands
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 163
please help me out here then i went back to hand history and now i cant see that tournament any

more now its the tournament that i played after that one the 100€ omaha i am typing in last 100

hands and more but it gives me only 8 hands off the following mtt that i played really i am not a fool

now i have to get that next hand after that one here above so that i can pove to you that i am not an

idiot as i told this is the first time in my life that this happend and now i am sick that i did not copy the next hand after

that one here above so i go and contact support i prommis that i will get back to let you all see

what has happend yesterday


by the way i am now in contact whit live support chat so il be right back whit more info


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i have waited allmost more then an ouhr to hear that they will send it tomorrow to my email adress

i dont know why it has to take so long i hope they not are going to change anything or that they not will send anything

end going to explain in their own words what ever comes out i will share it here and can somebody tell

me that it is a poker players right to have his hand history is their some law for it that they have to give it to me

i cant rest now till this problem is solved Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

Edited by issi1976 (Wednesday, September 12, 2012 @ 14:50 GMT)

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  12-Sep-12, 18:29   #12
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 39 (F)
Posts: 10045
Some softwares are hard to get a history off, kinda of annoying since this is one of the
most basic things if you want to be serious with poker.
The ability to see your hand history and analyze your game.

If you cant find it ask support to tell you where is located.

Maybe if you right click on the program icon and click on detination folder can
be there somewhere

     
  13-Sep-12, 12:49   #13
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issi1976 

Joined: Jan '12
Location: Netherlands
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 163
Mober i know how that program off unibet works to get your hand history because i used to play at other sites that have the same prgram to get your hand history

the problem here is that it wouldnt go back more then 8 hands that i played i contacted live support yesterday and i have talked whit Maurice after one ouhr off waiting

they prommised me to give me today more info about what happend at that tournament and i asked him after

that Are you going to give me my hand history ......1 min ......2 min ......3 min ......4 min..... still waiting ....

Maurice are you still there ...????

yes issi exactly


okay Maurice i trust in what you tell me and i will wait till tommorow

have a nice day Maurice

......1 min ......2 min ....waiting ..

okay no reaction ........x exit chat


13-9-2012
well its 14:50 now here in the netherlands and i still have got no info so i have to wait a litle more i think



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Echt spelen voor Texas Holdem, 10 Sep 2012, Spelnummer 4554768538
Spelgegevens
Spelnummer 4554768538
Naam speeltafel €50 Unibet Freeroll NLHE
Type speeltafel Multi Table-toernooi
Wedlimiet No Limit
Begintijd 10 Sep 2012 2:50 PM
Eindtijd 10 Sep 2012 2:51 PM
Actieve spelers 10
Beschikbare fiches op de tafel 0.50 / 1.00
Blinds 0.25 / 0.50
Rake 0.00


Openingsinzetronde
Geen communitykaarten

Spelers Kaarten Acties
jezups4 (D) - Folded - - -
BulgarianPro SB 10.00 Passen - Sitting Out - - -
petje1 BB 20.00 Folded - - -
lillaego81 Called 20.00 Called 80.00 - - -
ismael1976 Called 20.00 Called 80.00 - - -
SashoAgain Folded - - - -
dropplease Raised 100.00 - - - -
Boi1301 Passen - Sitting Out - - - -
extrabuxador Passen - Sitting Out - - - -(next round false hand history theY changed it)
YDdraigGoch Called 100.00 - - - - < watch this one where i lose from his total is>
Totaal pot 430.00 < > 1460 < >
<so if i had the 3150 like they want to do believe>
Inzetronde Flop <me how is it possible that i get only 1610 back >
<3150 - 1460 = 1690 and i won 160 from that
< other player in the pot so 1690+160 should be
Spelers Kaarten Acties < 1850 chips >
jezups4 (D) - - - - -
BulgarianPro - - - - -
petje1 - - - - -
lillaego81 Checked Folded - - -
ismael1976 Checked Went All-In 3,050.00 Player Betting Money Returned 1,610.00 - -
SashoAgain - - - - -
dropplease Bet 430.00 Went All-In 1,010.00 - - -
Boi1301 - - - - -
extrabuxador - - - - -
YDdraigGoch Called 430.00 Went All-In 930.00 - - -
Totaal pot 4,670.00

Inzetronde Turn


Spelers Kaarten Acties
jezups4 (D) - - - - -
BulgarianPro - - - - -
petje1 - - - - -
lillaego81 - - - - -
ismael1976 - - - - -
SashoAgain - - - - -
dropplease - - - - -
Boi1301 - - - - -
extrabuxador - - - - -
YDdraigGoch - - - - -
Totaal pot 4,670.00

Inzetronde River


Spelers Kaarten Acties
jezups4 (D) - - - - -
BulgarianPro - - - - -
petje1 - - - - -
lillaego81 - - - - -
ismael1976 - - - - -
SashoAgain - - - - -
dropplease - - - - -
Boi1301 - - - - -
extrabuxador - - - - -
YDdraigGoch - - - - -
Totaal pot 4,670.00

SHOWDOWN


Spelers Kaarten Hand Winst


dropplease One Pair -
YDdraigGoch One Pair 4,510.00
ismael1976 One Pair 160.00


Totaal winst 4,670.00
Rake 0.00
Totaal pot 4,670.00


Vorige | Volgende


i am waiting 2 days now for a response they did not send me the hand history like they promissed

i have made 2 phone calls and i have send 3 or 4 mails about this subjest no response from unibet

it seems they needed time to prepare a false hand history and the one who ho did it has got to go

back to school i know what i have seen and what i had after that pot you can say what ever you

want but i am never going to make a deposit there and i am going to hand this history over to the

KSA the dutch authorities at least i will send them it by email what ever they will do whit it i dont

care anymore but this is realy a schock for me do you realy think i would come up with a story like this

everyone would say you are a donkey retard liar or did you need some attention whatever you

may think about this for me its game over at unibet









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Sorry guys for the mess above its not that clear what i want to explain so this is my last try

watch YDdraiGoch his totalis 1460 my chips where 3150 they say what is not threu (real is 1700)

so if i lose against someone whit 1460 3150- 1460= 1690 and then there is one other guy in the pot

where i win 160 chips from so 1690+160 = 1850 so tell me how is it possible that it says 1610 betting money returnd

i am confused about this it looks like i am a f****ng id**t but i know what they have done or try to do

good luck over there you will need it

Edited by issi1976 (Friday, September 14, 2012 @ 07:30 GMT)


     
  14-Sep-12, 17:02   #14
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WozzaMignun 
Joined: Oct '10
Location: Malta
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 44
Posted by issi1976:

where i win 160 chips from so 1690+160 = 1850 so tell me how is it possible that it says 1610 betting money returnd



You were returned 1610 (the difference between you and the next highest bet) after your all in shove was called (these are your exces chips)

You were then paid the 160 side pot at the end of the hand.

It says so step by step in the hand history

after flop

ismael1976 Checked Went All-In 3,050.00 Player Betting Money Returned 1,610.00 - -

then end of hand

ismael1976 One Pair 160.00

What is wrong?

     
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