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  28-Sep-12, 16:32   #1
BADBEAT; any thoughts on this one? 0 
nonoyang 
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PokerStars Hand #86853362417: Tournament #617967038, $1.00+$0.10 USD
Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2012/09/28 12:06:49 ET
Table '617967038 13' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Tyche II (875 in chips)
Seat 3: hcTribe (3454 in chips)
Seat 4: orib (2509 in chips)
Seat 5: oragees (2669 in chips)
Seat 6: Raymund2468 (1266 in chips)
Seat 7: max_bard (1795 in chips)
Seat 8: kri266 (925 in chips)
Seat 9: mike_tay19 (2042 in chips)
max_bard: posts small blind 50
kri266: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Raymund2468 [Kc Kd]
mike_tay19: folds
Tyche II: folds
hcTribe: folds
orib: folds
oragees: raises 2569 to 2669 and is all-in
Raymund2468: calls 1266 and is all-in
max_bard: folds
kri266: folds
Uncalled bet (1403) returned to oragees
*** FLOP *** [3d Qs 9s]
*** TURN *** [3d Qs 9s] Ace of spades
*** RIVER *** [3d Qs 9s As] 6 of hearts
*** SHOW DOWN ***
oragees: shows [Td Ah] (a pair of Aces)
Raymund2468: shows [Kc Kd] (a pair of Kings)
oragees collected 2682 from pot
Raymund2468 finished the tournament in 153rd place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2682 | Rake 0
Board [3d Qs 9s As 6h]
Seat 1: Tyche II folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: hcTribe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: orib folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: oragees showed [Td Ah] and won (2682) with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: Raymund2468 (button) showed [Kc Kd] and lost with a pair of
Kings
Seat 7: max_bard (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: kri266 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: mike_tay19 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

     
  28-Sep-12, 16:39   #2
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sadamman 

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Considering you didn't do the raise you only called it, theres nothing to add. You played it right. You had no choice if you're not calling all in, or shoving, with that many blinds on kk. You're a bad player.

     
  28-Sep-12, 16:53   #3
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AlexSimion 
Joined: Mar '12
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This isn't a bad beat , just a hand u lost !

     
  28-Sep-12, 18:55   #4
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thefly131 
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Indead that s not a bad beat, just a hand you lost and started in best position.

Just keep in mind with KK , if there s an ace on the table you mostly loose.

But on the situation here,it was good play as you did not have another option.

But I have folded several times pocket KK after the flop....

     
  28-Sep-12, 19:10   #5
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Doarulle 
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This is not a bad-beat... if you had A-T you called...
If you want to play KK you shouldn't play ALL-IN ... you could bet 300 or 400... if he raise you go all in .... if he call you could bet 500 on flop... but no all in with KK pre-flop... he has under 13 blinds ... so in this case shove or fold Big Smile a bad beat was if he had 2-10 and turn was 2 and river 10 or something like this... if you have KK and i have AA you shove i call you say is a bad-beat ? What are you saying about this hand ?
Hero K Spade K Club All in
Utg: A Diamond 2 Diamond Call
Flop: K Heart Q Spade Q Club
Turn: Q Heart
River: Q Diamond

     
  28-Sep-12, 19:15   #6
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sadamman 

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Posted by Doarulle:
This is not a bad-beat... if you had A-T you called...
If you want to play KK you shouldn't play ALL-IN ... you could bet 300 or 400... if he raise you go all in .... if he call you could bet 500 on flop... but no all in with KK pre-flop... he has under 13 blinds ... so in this case shove or fold Big Smile a bad beat was if he had 2-10 and turn was 2 and river 10 or something like this... if you have KK and i have AA you shove i call you say is a bad-beat ? What are you saying about this hand ?
Hero K Spade K Club All in
Utg: A Diamond 2 Diamond Call
Flop: K Heart Q Spade Q Club
Turn: Q Heart
River: Q Diamond

Confused

     
  28-Sep-12, 19:32   #7
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lukasb 

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Posted by sadamman:
Posted by Doarulle:
This is not a bad-beat... if you had A-T you called...
If you want to play KK you shouldn't play ALL-IN ... you could bet 300 or 400... if he raise you go all in .... if he call you could bet 500 on flop... but no all in with KK pre-flop... he has under 13 blinds ... so in this case shove or fold Big Smile a bad beat was if he had 2-10 and turn was 2 and river 10 or something like this... if you have KK and i have AA you shove i call you say is a bad-beat ? What are you saying about this hand ?
Hero K Spade K Club All in
Utg: A Diamond 2 Diamond Call
Flop: K Heart Q Spade Q Club
Turn: Q Heart
River: Q Diamond

Confused

He means losing with to a A kicker.
Yea, losing to a guy that hits runner/runner always feels like
Aww crap!

     
  28-Sep-12, 19:32   #8
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Macubaas 
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I also have to agree on this one with the mobsters that posted above, this isn't really a bad beat...

As i posted in a previous thread about strong hands this is a classic example where you get KK and many weak player call your bet even with Ax, where x is lower than T most of the times.

     
  4-Oct-12, 21:49   #9
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fcumred 

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Not a bad beat, but an awful hand to lose.

I don't know what the donk was doing shoving with A 10 in the first place. That shove is a donk move you see from noobs who have absolutely no clue about poker.

You got the money in with the best hand, and was outdrawn. Thats poker. But make notes on him, find him in a cash game and take the idiot to the cleaners because donks like that are the best way to build your bankroll. You will win against players like that about 70% of the time, so keep playing like that and you will return a profit eventually.

Just put this one down to variance.

     
  4-Oct-12, 21:57   #10
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djpremier 
Joined: Dec '10
Location: Finland
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Posts: 419
Theres not much to say about this hand...
Stupid all in raise and you called with the best hand but opponent was lucky..

Just like fcumred said you'll win your money back from players like that Smile

     
  5-Oct-12, 05:07   #11
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ayaraled 
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Not a bad beat...It is expected that sometimes KK will lose to Ax hands....but not much....he only have 3 outs for the ace or he can hit trips or quads with his 10 and its hard for him to have the straight because you have 2 kings...to sum it all, he was lucky to hit the ace....

     
  5-Oct-12, 06:34   #12
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pochui 

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normal hand, you did everything right, plus you only had 12BB so with kk it's a must call, actually it would've been good even if you went all in first one, and considering you only called- you didn't have many choices with this one. just unlucky that you lost. still good play and good luck in the future

     
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