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Carbon is having this Promo where you can win step tickets and after the 3rd one you have a chance to win a whopping $1. All tables start with 1000 chips and 10 players. Now there are players registering and then not even playing, just riding it out while everyone else plays because the payout is the 1st - 3 players. I was getting pretty frustrated playing up to the last 4 or 5 and 1 or 2 players not even playing, their just sitting waiting for the real payers to fallout. Would it be colluding if Iwas to attempt to inform the fellow players as to what the non-players were doing so we could knock them out first prior to them just getting a free ride?????
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technically this would be collusion- but i dont give a sh1t and if found in a similar situation always offer other player to blind out the "sitting out" donk. haven't been in trouble with using this tactic and i used it several times on stars and in some ipoker rooms. yeah it's frustrating when found in this situation
Posted by Greenmohave: Carbon is having this Promo where you can win step tickets and after the 3rd one you have a chance to win a whopping $1. All tables start with 1000 chips and 10 players. Now there are players registering and then not even playing, just riding it out while everyone else plays because the payout is the 1st - 3 players. I was getting pretty frustrated playing up to the last 4 or 5 and 1 or 2 players not even playing, their just sitting waiting for the real payers to fallout. Would it be colluding if Iwas to attempt to inform the fellow players as to what the non-players were doing so we could knock them out first prior to them just getting a free ride?????
Want to, but haven't! Thought I'd ask first!
Yes i have wondered this too it is always frustrating thing about freerolls especially large subscribed ones that prob 30-40% of players never even intend to sit and a further10% sit out except for prem hands until the usual 2/3 players are gone. leaving you playing short hand on full ring. I have right or wrong suggested ( especially if sit outs are spaced between players fairly evenly) that we speed play, blind share it often is agreed to and so far has never been contested
However i have never done so on a sng step only tournys!!!- nb- comments often seen on the games u mention like" ggggr sit out stooge" etc which is often enough to make for unspoken collaberation. good luck
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lololol standard of play is always so incredibly awful when it's possible to win by sitting out the whole game. Even on 50c DoN you won't place in top5 by doing this.
U would think not Jess but I recently logged on PKR signed on a tournament and decided to rail a friend on a £3 DoN only to find he was the sole player sat at table - game ended- when I caught up with him 20 mins later he was amazed he got though because he had become disconnected at early stage of game pmsl
i think you dont to need to ask the other...all you have to do is fold when the other active players call and hope he fold when its your time to call...if he want to play..ok play against him with a strong hand....
can be a tricky spot positionally...some people get greedy and want all the chips...espically if they've got position.on me. Then I wait and whack em with good hands so they have to start over. Do that a couple of times and they finally get the point and start sharing. It's collusion but I've never seen anything ever done about it anywhere.
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to be fair there is no rules on whether you can sit out or not..they arnt breaking any rules by sitting out. it is frustrating and has happened to me multiple times but i just try and make the best out of the situation by stealing all the chips i can before they join back in the game
just play the exact same way you would normally play and you should be fine
technically this would be collusion, but since it's in a freeroll i cannot see any website inforcing any sort of punishment upon you for this. I joke about an artificial bubble in freeroll tournaments, and that is the dead stack bubble. thats the point at which sit out players get blinded away from MTT freeroll, and if u watch its kind of funny. In the BRM leaderboard freerolls @ stars i would say theres 1000 dead stacks and when they bust its noticable
sit outs are always a problem in freerolls. because there is nothing lost when you lose the tournament there is no incentive to play. I just wish these people didnt register at all but from the view of the user, they have a chance at something for doing nothing. not even playing.
an average player, if they saw a table with 1-3 other people and the rest dead stack would tighter their range considerably. since you get 9 hands per M but you're only playing against 4 players or less there is a lot of opportunities to steal the dead stacks and survive the blinds. then play big hands against the non-dead stackers.
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I do not think it's because on most platforms collusion at DoN's because it works so it is easy to get into the top 5 of 10 stand for nothing and waiting for AA or KK than to play each hand ... site eventually get a nice amount of rake
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Well lot of input and appreciated the opinions because I would never try to side with players to beat others out, but when someone sits there and wants a free ride I get a bit ticked.
Although I wanted to make everyone aware it was obvious that the other players recognized what was going on and started stealing the blinds. I did have to fold out on a couple hands I would have generally played, but there was no sense in doing so with the top 3 positions getting a step 2 ticket.
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The problem with the one for you one for me idea is that if you should happen to land on aces when it's your turn to fold you are going to feel cheated. I think you can only play your hand according to ICM and if sitting out proves to be better than playing any hand then you may not be using the right strategy. Nothing in the rules against sitting out and it's your choice if you think sitting out is the best strategy. Although I'm guessing it's not so much a strategy as pure hope and the nothing to lose mentality.
Still if you want to win that $1 the correct strategy is surely to play extra tight, Aces, Kings and Queens and free flops only. You are very unlikely not to cash if half the table is sat out and you manage to pick up the blinds now and then.
Posted by sadamman: collude Verb: Come to a secret understanding for a harmful purpose; conspire
Highlight - secret and cospire
lets say for political correctness - Strategy and Compromise
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Posted by Greenmohave: Well lot of input and appreciated the opinions because I would never try to side with players to beat others out, but when someone sits there and wants a free ride I get a bit ticked.
Although I wanted to make everyone aware it was obvious that the other players recognized what was going on and started stealing the blinds. I did have to fold out on a couple hands I would have generally played, but there was no sense in doing so with the top 3 positions getting a step 2 ticket.
thanks for interesting topic hope it keeps moving so many possible threads
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aye thats happened a few times to me on stars green,where me and another player have just shared the chips untill the table changes.he's said to me shall we share them and i've agreed,so we just sit there not betting against each other collecting the other players chips. i suppose it is a form of collusion but if no one else is at the table,what the hell.
I think it wouldn't be colluting since they aren't playing. I did that several times in freerolls and i don't see anything wrong with it. But i hate playing that kind of freerolls with only 1000 chips fast blinds and ridicilous amount of players for even more ridicilous prizes. Better to make some kidn of leaderboard like BRM did with pstars so you can look forward to bigger prize than some silly 1-2$.
Posted by Greenmohave: Carbon is having this Promo where you can win step tickets and after the 3rd one you have a chance to win a whopping $1. All tables start with 1000 chips and 10 players. Now there are players registering and then not even playing, just riding it out while everyone else plays because the payout is the 1st - 3 players. I was getting pretty frustrated playing up to the last 4 or 5 and 1 or 2 players not even playing, their just sitting waiting for the real payers to fallout. Would it be colluding if Iwas to attempt to inform the fellow players as to what the non-players were doing so we could knock them out first prior to them just getting a free ride?????
Want to, but haven't! Thought I'd ask first!
I would not enter a pact on a sng / DoN however ( having sidetracked to MMTs)
A statement eg. lot of sit outs today. When after a few blinds and it is apparent/suspected sit out tactics are being employed can attune players to your rationale to the situation. If I felt the table was following the incentive to remove dead wood. I would raise my prime hands still and play on if contested by an active player. If they fold i would reveal hand as a sign of good faith. after all we having commented here are not the "sit out crew" so for us another positive out come of is that the effect of the tactic is immediately lessened because those who are SOCs will soon reallise they can no longer rely on players playing each other out and will be forced back into the game -
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It is happening often in sng's. Many players have been paid by simply sitting out the whole time, waiting for others to bust. If you know a couple of players or you can take a hint on the tables play, its easy sometimes to fold it to the money. If you fold your hands waiting for others to bust aint colluding though.
Yes i have wondered this too it is always frustrating thing about freerolls especially large subscribed ones that prob 30-40% of players never even intend to sit and a further10% sit out except for prem hands until the usual 2/3 players are gone. leaving you playing short hand on full ring.
