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okerStars Hand #87046033341: Tournament #650011332, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (40/80) - 2012/10/02 11:50:09 ET Table '650011332 172' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: fack_fack_ff (4120 in chips) Seat 2: Kevin Seann (4073 in chips) Seat 3: redvulture61 (6170 in chips) Seat 4: mickd117 (3195 in chips) Seat 5: bak6a (2584 in chips) Seat 6: dengilopatoy (5110 in chips) Seat 7: Barrier21 (5455 in chips) Seat 8: kyu1301 (4858 in chips) Seat 9: don_catalin1 (2685 in chips) fack_fack_ff: posts the ante 10 Kevin Seann: posts the ante 10 redvulture61: posts the ante 10 mickd117: posts the ante 10 bak6a: posts the ante 10 dengilopatoy: posts the ante 10 Barrier21: posts the ante 10 kyu1301: posts the ante 10 don_catalin1: posts the ante 10 bak6a: posts small blind 40 dengilopatoy: posts big blind 80 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to redvulture61 [As Ad] Barrier21: folds kyu1301: folds don_catalin1: folds fack_fack_ff: folds Kevin Seann: folds redvulture61: raises 160 to 240 mickd117: folds bak6a: calls 200 dengilopatoy: calls 160 *** FLOP *** [Th Jd 4h] bak6a: checks dengilopatoy: checks redvulture61: bets 560 bak6a: folds dengilopatoy: calls 560 *** TURN *** [Th Jd 4h] dengilopatoy: checks redvulture61: bets 1280 dengilopatoy: calls 1280 *** RIVER *** [Th Jd 4h 8c] dengilopatoy: checks redvulture61: bets 4080 and is all-in dengilopatoy: calls 3020 and is all-in Uncalled bet (1060) returned to redvulture61 *** SHOW DOWN *** redvulture61: shows [As Ad] (a pair of Aces) dengilopatoy: shows [Kd Kh] (a pair of Kings) redvulture61 collected 10530 from pot dengilopatoy finished the tournament in 2483rd place *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 10530 | Rake 0 Board [Th Jd 4h 8c 3d] Seat 1: fack_fack_ff folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: Kevin Seann folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: redvulture61 showed [As Ad] and won (10530) with a pair of Aces Seat 4: mickd117 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: bak6a (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 6: dengilopatoy (big blind) showed [Kd Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings Seat 7: Barrier21 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: kyu1301 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: don_catalin1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
What an idiot but i will take it everyday of the week and i am not complaining.Now was he unlucky to walk into AAs yes. But did he play this hand god awfully that allowed this to happen yes. People think they are going to get their opponents to mindlessly barrel off their stacks in this spot but they could not be more wrong. All he has is one pair and such a hand is not a good candidate for slow playing as it is to weak and is vulnerable to being outdrawn. The funny thing was this guy called the river faster than Usain bolt but i bet he was spewing when he saw my hand. Anyway, the moral of the story is don't slow play your AAs and Kings as you will either win less from them or loose a huge pot like this idiot.
Considering that you raised 3x the big blind, his only mistake was not raising your bet but in the end, by raising you, basically you would have raise and it would have ended up with an all-in situation, so your example is a poor one in regards to raising a big hand like AA or KK...there is so much information missing, were you being aggressive previous to this hand, was he passive, he really didn't play the hand poorly, aside from to raising you, but again, the outcome would have been the same, an all-in situation
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Posted by adrie13: Considering that you raised 3x the big blind, his only mistake was not raising your bet but in the end, by raising you, basically you would have raise and it would have ended up with an all-in situation, so your example is a poor one in regards to raising a big hand like AA or KK...there is so much information missing, were you being aggressive previous to this hand, was he passive, he really didn't play the hand poorly, aside from to raising you, but again, the outcome would have been the same, an all-in situation
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Totally agree with this. An argument could be made that villain should have shown more aggression, but his line is just as valid the way it was played. I don't think villain really made a bad move post flop, given the texture of the board and the strength of his hand, you don't really want to get in a big pot with just a pair. On the river, pretty much any draw missed so it's fine to get stacks in at that point.
On both ends, I think hand was pretty standard.
A little curious, why is there 10 chip antes in only the 6th level of blinds?
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Its the structure of the BIG events on stars. Slowplaying pocket Kings is the worst possible hand you could slow play in holdem. Of course im shoving that river the only hand i was truly worried about was a set of 4s but i know that was unlikely given the way he played it. The villan should be 4 and 5 betting that hand preflop because he will be out of position for the rest of the hand and his hand is to strong not to do this. Very rarely you will be up against AAs so you should just go with it.
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you cannot say you should never slow play kings, you can slow play kings, jack and even 38o the point here is that word NEVER should NEVER be used also can slow play and win- that's fact and therefore you just have to accept that you lost. maybe next time you will win and what- r u gonna create a thread saying "this is why you should always slow play pocket kings"
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You were only worried about a set of 4s. On stars it could have been anything. But more realistically he could have had j10, a set of 3's , a set of 8's, a set of j's, or a set of 10's. Why a set of 4's?
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Posted by pochui: you cannot say you should never slow play kings, you can slow play kings, jack and even 38o the point here is that word NEVER should NEVER be used also can slow play and win- that's fact and therefore you just have to accept that you lost. maybe next time you will win and what- r u gonna create a thread saying "this is why you should always slow play pocket kings"
Im sorry but should i listen to some internet micro grinder who spends all day trying to gather as many freeroll passwords as he can or respected pros who have made millions of dollars online and live who advocate you never slowplay pocket kings? Please give an answer because i am interested and please provide your merits as to why these pros are wrong in a post which is comprehendable as you could be on to something here.
Also i will take it that you will continue to spam the forums just to reach your 5 post a day cap so you can make mob points. I know you come from Lithuania where the average wage is a $1 an hour and dial up 56kb internet is all you can afford and you kind of need the money so maybe i should not be so harsh. However, please at least try to contribute things which are remotely useful to the site.
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I believe it does matter which way one plays pocket A's, K's or Q's, but it just matters which way is best for a particular hand. In some cases Allin may provoke someone into calling you or it may scare one into folding. I guess with KK or QQ it's all a matter if there's an A on the flop. Way I see it, anyone with an A in their hand is going to play (most cases). So if there's an A on the flop your already in a situation unless you get fortunate enough to hit another K or Q. This is only an opinion and I don't know much about poker statistics.
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When a Ace is on a flop when you have kings and your opponent is showing interest in the pot then its standard to proceed with caution. However, the hole idea of slow playing is you have a hand which is super strong Eg top set of 8s on a dry board of say 8s,2c,3h, is to try to extract more value from your hand down the line because you belive fast playing would make less money. Pocket kings is such a vulnerable hand postflop so slowplaying it is not optimal.
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Posted by Redvulture61:
Posted by pochui: you cannot say you should never slow play kings, you can slow play kings, jack and even 38o the point here is that word NEVER should NEVER be used also can slow play and win- that's fact and therefore you just have to accept that you lost. maybe next time you will win and what- r u gonna create a thread saying "this is why you should always slow play pocket kings"
Im sorry but should i listen to some internet micro grinder who spends all day trying to gather as many freeroll passwords as he can or respected pros who have made millions of dollars online and live who advocate you never slowplay pocket kings? Please give an answer because i am interested and please provide your merits as to why these pros are wrong in a post which is comprehendable as you could be on to something here.
Also i will take it that you will continue to spam the forums just to reach your 5 post a day cap so you can make mob points. I know you come from Lithuania where the average wage is a $1 an hour and dial up 56kb internet is all you can afford and you kind of need the money so maybe i should not be so harsh. However, please at least try to contribute things which are remotely useful to the site.
And there you go again aggressively putting people down, acting just like the testosterone fueled teenager you obviously are. It is possible to disagree with someone without having to be a cock you know. If you speak to people you disagree with in real life like that you'll end up getting hurt.
For what it's worth I think you're right and slow playing kings is a bad idea but you really don't need to be such a d**k about it. It just makes you look like a total twat.
------------ Just noticed I say cock and twat without getting censored but can't say d!ck. That's crazy d!ck's a proper noun for crying out loud.
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Posted by zeroster: Just noticed I say cock and twat without getting censored but can't say d!ck. That's crazy d!ck's a proper noun for crying out loud.
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Posted by zeroster:
Posted by Redvulture61:
Posted by pochui: you cannot say you should never slow play kings, you can slow play kings, jack and even 38o the point here is that word NEVER should NEVER be used also can slow play and win- that's fact and therefore you just have to accept that you lost. maybe next time you will win and what- r u gonna create a thread saying "this is why you should always slow play pocket kings"
Im sorry but should i listen to some internet micro grinder who spends all day trying to gather as many freeroll passwords as he can or respected pros who have made millions of dollars online and live who advocate you never slowplay pocket kings? Please give an answer because i am interested and please provide your merits as to why these pros are wrong in a post which is comprehendable as you could be on to something here.
Also i will take it that you will continue to spam the forums just to reach your 5 post a day cap so you can make mob points. I know you come from Lithuania where the average wage is a $1 an hour and dial up 56kb internet is all you can afford and you kind of need the money so maybe i should not be so harsh. However, please at least try to contribute things which are remotely useful to the site.
And there you go again aggressively putting people down, acting just like the testosterone fueled teenager you obviously are. It is possible to disagree with someone without having to be a cock you know. If you speak to people you disagree with in real life like that you'll end up getting hurt.
For what it's worth I think you're right and slow playing kings is a bad idea but you really don't need to be such a d**k about it. It just makes you look like a total twat.
------------ Just noticed I say cock and twat without getting censored but can't say d!ck. That's crazy d!ck's a proper noun for crying out loud.
Oh im so scared such an internet tough guy you are. Aggression? I was actually laughing at this idiots stupidity while posting. And besides if you tried to do anything like that in the real world i guarantee you will be the one crying in the end and not me.
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Redvulture, if you call your thread "why you should never slow play pocket kings" I expect to see a hand history showing KK been beaten by 72 in the big blind or something of the like, not losing to a hand that it was behind the whole time, and slow playing or otherwise wouldn't have changed a thing.
A couple more points... firstly, he didn't REALLY slow play them. It was a raised pot.... it's a perfectly reasonable tactic (not one I'd use admittedly) to smooth call with pocket kings hoping for no ace on the flop... but that doesn't constitute a slow play.
Secondly, why is the guy an idiot? For getting his chips in with just an over-pair to the board? You did EXACTLY the same thing. If you swap the hands over - KK to you and AA for him you would have played it exactly the same, and lost. The outcome doesn't make him an idiot.
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Posted by Redvulture61:
Posted by zeroster:
Posted by Redvulture61:
Posted by pochui: you cannot say you should never slow play kings, you can slow play kings, jack and even 38o the point here is that word NEVER should NEVER be used also can slow play and win- that's fact and therefore you just have to accept that you lost. maybe next time you will win and what- r u gonna create a thread saying "this is why you should always slow play pocket kings"
Im sorry but should i listen to some internet micro grinder who spends all day trying to gather as many freeroll passwords as he can or respected pros who have made millions of dollars online and live who advocate you never slowplay pocket kings? Please give an answer because i am interested and please provide your merits as to why these pros are wrong in a post which is comprehendable as you could be on to something here.
Also i will take it that you will continue to spam the forums just to reach your 5 post a day cap so you can make mob points. I know you come from Lithuania where the average wage is a $1 an hour and dial up 56kb internet is all you can afford and you kind of need the money so maybe i should not be so harsh. However, please at least try to contribute things which are remotely useful to the site.
And there you go again aggressively putting people down, acting just like the testosterone fueled teenager you obviously are. It is possible to disagree with someone without having to be a cock you know. If you speak to people you disagree with in real life like that you'll end up getting hurt.
For what it's worth I think you're right and slow playing kings is a bad idea but you really don't need to be such a d**k about it. It just makes you look like a total twat.
------------ Just noticed I say cock and twat without getting censored but can't say d!ck. That's crazy d!ck's a proper noun for crying out loud.
Oh im so scared such an internet tough guy you are. Aggression? I was actually laughing at this idiots stupidity while posting. And besides if you tried to do anything like that in the real world i guarantee you will be the one crying in the end and not me.
Me a tough guy? absolutely not. I'm just trying to give you the friendly advice that you obviously need. Why do you take my warning as a threat? I'm half a planet away you fool, obviously I didn't mean me, I'm not threatening you. I'm Just saying if this is the way you act in real life then your early years into adulthood are likely to be rather rocky.
When I was a kid I actually did behave like you in real life. man was that dumb. I didn't get physically hurt which was more good luck than anything else but I'm sure it held me back in life for many years. what I finally realised in the end was, it doesn't matter how right you are, if you're behaving like a condescending prick and belittling people they don't have any respect for you and won't take you seriously.
Don't know why I'm bothering really no petulant teenager has ever taken advice from an adult. I know I never did but I certainly wish I had.
Anyway I'm done with you, obvious troll and not a particularly clever ever one either.
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i remember i told u this before, but probably you forgot this, so here's a friendly reminder: you are a fcukin idiot stop crying about your losses and go find yourself a job
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In this particular case with such a flop i dont think anyone holding KK could get out of it, including you. If u were the one losing with KK the title would be: Dont overplay pocket kings lol
the point here is that word NEVER should NEVER be used 
also can slow play and win- that's fact and therefore you just have to accept that you lost. maybe next time you will win and what- r u gonna create a thread saying "this is why you should always slow play pocket kings"
