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  12-Oct-12, 21:08   #1
So this is a facked up rule... 0 
erru9107 
Joined: Oct '11
Location: Sweden
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 910
I just used 800 shots at the safe and didn't win!! And then this comes up:

You have reached the maximum allowed shots at this safe, please come back and
try again on the next safe for which you currently have 400 shot(s) available...

Seriously! What the hell kinda messed up rule is that!? This means that I've wasted OVER 4000 mob points gathering 1000 mob safe shots. To be honest, I'm not really that happy with BRM at the moment...

     
  12-Oct-12, 21:23   #2
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teddybears73 
Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 59 (M)
Posts: 3170
wow,that is a bummer erru.
800 shots and you didn't hit,that is so bad man,why will they not let you use all of your shots?
another 1000 points and you could have cashed out for $50,i think that would have been a better idea mate.

     
  12-Oct-12, 21:27   #3
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sadamman 

Joined: Jan '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 1204
Posted by teddybears73:
wow,that is a bummer erru.
800 shots and you didn't hit,that is so bad man,why will they not let you use all of your shots?
another 1000 points and you could have cashed out for $50,i think that would have been a better idea mate.


Because when he goes to use the rest of his shots tomorrow, the safe will have been cracked and will only be worth $20. So even if he does win he will be $20 down. LOL I'm sorry I've got no sympathy erru, it was a stupid idea, nice try, unlucky.

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10/12/2012 Ida9009 074 $50 Shock Tongue Big Smile

Edited by sadamman (Friday, October 12, 2012 @ 21:56 GMT)


     
  12-Oct-12, 22:24   #4
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djpremier 
Joined: Dec '10
Location: Finland
Age: 24 (M)
Posts: 419
Posted by sadamman:

10/12/2012 Ida9009 074 $50 Shock Tongue Big Smile

Oh boy... that realy sucks : DDD I feel bad for you mate..

     
  12-Oct-12, 23:53   #5
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
That is sick - I never new they had that rule either - although, it makes sense - since if you're allowed 1000 shots then it becomes exploitable.. Still though, very harsh!

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Before the regular calendar came into play, the mob safe used to go > $50 fairly often, I used to think about doing what you've done quite a lot > saving 1000 safe shots and then cracking it as a +EV when it's $60+

It's not so tempting now, since if you buy 1000 shots that costs $50 anyway so you don't gain anything when the safe is on $50.. And it rarely goes over $50 these days.

     
  13-Oct-12, 00:26   #6
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fcumred 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 1238
800 shots and you didn't hit it ?

Unreal..

     
  13-Oct-12, 01:31   #7
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Serpang 
Joined: Jan '10
Location: Indonesia
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 1476
Sure !!! and Erru decision unreal, too Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile bought with 4000 mob points ? just wait get 1000 more mob points and you can withdraw. That's safety play Big Smile Big Smile . You told you are winning poker
player before. Do you play poker with same style ? gambling a lot ? What is your special strategy to
play poker ?

Good luck in next mob shot Smile

     
  13-Oct-12, 02:43   #8
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
hehe losing with 800 shots is basically the equivalent of getting AA cracked HU Tongue

     
  13-Oct-12, 02:53   #9
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sadamman 

Joined: Jan '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 1204
Posted by jessthehuman:
hehe losing with 800 shots is basically the equivalent of getting AA cracked HU Tongue


Indeed it is. Good analogy. Its quite interesting though. If you where to put it in percent like poker it would be 80% to erru, 20% to BRM, but thats deceiving, because its out of 1000. So the decimal can actually make quite a difference.

     
  13-Oct-12, 06:32   #10
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Mysik86 

Joined: Nov '11
Location: Poland
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 773
I can't understand, why you didn't wait for 1000MP and cashout? The shots has always variance... Imagine, that you earn 800 shots, and don't crack - you will lose $40, not by BRM rules, but because you like gambling... It's pretty insane, don't you think?

     
  13-Oct-12, 06:47   #11
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
Posted by Mysik86:
I can't understand, why you didn't wait for 1000MP and cashout? The shots has always variance... Imagine, that you earn 800 shots, and don't crack - you will lose $40, not by BRM rules, but because you like gambling... It's pretty insane, don't you think?


I think you (and others in this thread) are completely missing the point. He didn't think he could lose - he was planning on using all 1000 shots (and hence ALL possible combinations) so basically he would win anything UP TO $50, but never lose.

But when he reached 800 shots, BRM prevented him from using his remaining shots.

     
  13-Oct-12, 07:39   #12
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Mysik86 

Joined: Nov '11
Location: Poland
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 773
Ahh... so it change the case. This is bad rule - but I still think, that if you have 5000MP, it's much better to cashout it, than spend it to safe shots. Now, amounts bigger than $50 are so rare...

     
  13-Oct-12, 08:07   #13
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 6197
Did you try number ''801'' ?

     
  13-Oct-12, 08:08   #14
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8623
seriously? never heard of this rule and never seen it anywhere in the help/faq's etc. so it would be nice if admin popped up in this thread just to confirm this rule exists. i also though this is a nice strategy since if you have $50 in the safe and have 1000 shots at safe you are basically risking nothing and have a great chance to win cash by just hitting safe earlier than those 1000 shots are used

     
  13-Oct-12, 10:12   #15
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damosk 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 52 (M)
Posts: 4847
Think about it guys! 5 points per shot. 1000 possible combinations. 5 x 1000 = 5000. Why would you do it? You gain nothing if it takes you 1000 attempts to get it right! (And BRM get nothing!) You get half of your money back if you take 500 attempts, but get all of your money back if you hit it on the first attempt. So, even if you win on hit number 1, your odds are only evens at best....as you still have all those shots left that you may not win on. As in the Hunger Games and every other kind of betting, the odds are forever in your favour....but only if you are the owner of the games or the really lucky winner! BRM (and anyone else who run betting), only do it cos it makes them money and they can apply whatever rules they like.

     
  13-Oct-12, 10:48   #16
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zenmaster 
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Romania
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 1
You should have red the T&C at the bottom of the page first to avoid situations like this.

     
  13-Oct-12, 10:59   #17
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magatt966 

Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 3712
Posted by zenmaster:
You should have red the T&C at the bottom of the page first to avoid situations like this.


Can you link us to the T&C you mention please?

     
  13-Oct-12, 12:42   #18
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aburila 
Joined: Mar '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 108
TBH i don't undestand why would u spend 4000 mob points on safe shots .... just to try and win 5000...that's just a 20% ROI ...if u would've at least doubled the investment... yeah that's reasonable... what u did it's just gambling... hope u don't play poker in the same way
and i stand by the rule also because if u could use 1000 shots in a single day do u think it would be actually fair to the rest of BRM members? everybody needs a chance to try and crack the safe... some people are trying for a while now and they never cracked it ... so Thumbs Up for this rule

     
  13-Oct-12, 18:21   #19
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sadamman 

Joined: Jan '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 1204
So what did you do with the safe shots because the code that cracked it was 074, if you done 001, 002, 003, etc etc. You would still have over 900 shots LOL What strategy did you use to remember what codes you done? Would be soooo funny if you done it 999, 998, 997 etc LOL

     
  13-Oct-12, 20:56   #20
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erru9107 
Joined: Oct '11
Location: Sweden
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 910
Some of you are totally missing the point. Say I hit on try 738, that leaves me with 262 shots and 5000 points. It would cost 3690 points to get 1000 safe shots again leaving me with a 1310 point profit. Keep doing that and the safe would be a +EV game.

I figured it wouldn't be a low number since the 5 previous ones were all in the 000-300 range. The odds of getting a 6th number in a row in that area isn't all that big.
I used 700-799, 500-599, 600-699, 800-899, 400-499, 300-399, 900-999, 100-199. I was gonna go for 000-099 next but obviously that wasn't possible.

I can see why they put that rule in place. I'm only mad about that BRM didn't put anything what so ever in the FAQ or anywhere else about this rule. To be honest, this is the first time since I joined here that I'm actually mad at BRM. I wasted over $40 and several months buying shots at a game where all the rules wasn't even there in print. I'm not really mad about the money/points, it's more the principle since I believe it was unfair.

If anyone has seen anything about this prior to this, please do tell!!

     
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