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  31-Oct-12, 17:19   #1
micro's a waist of time or a good way to make money??? 0 
uhhcallmi 

Joined: Mar '12
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hi guys,

i've started this thread because i want to know how you all feel and think about
the micro limits ,the time you spend online playing those and is it worth playing for you???

the reason why i ask this is: after playing for a few days non-stop
I kinda lose motivation and i get so tired to play another day for the same goals..
usualy my goal is to win around 50-100 $ on each session i start playing...everything over that amount is very welcome..



Edited by uhhcallmi (Wednesday, October 31, 2012 @ 17:29 GMT)


     
  31-Oct-12, 18:01   #2
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Serpang 
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waste of time ! cos, winning player just have ITM 17% or more. 25% more ? maybe in short term.
In long term , most of them just have around 17%. Play micro for develop bankroll, in good day should be try higher level.Back to lower when lost.

     
  31-Oct-12, 19:02   #3
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uhhcallmi 

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my overall ROI is -3 % ------------ cashgame result not included...that's why i'm losing
or should i say..why i'm a loser...lol

in may2012 i played full-time all month = ROI +34% itm=15% average buy-in 2$
in april2012 also played full-time all month = ROI +38% itm=16% average buy-in 2,99 $

still not the winning player i hope to be 1 day...

well at least i know ,where i go wrong...what my weak points are...

still working on a method so all pieces of the puzzle fall in place...

untill then i kind a take it easy...still some ingredients missing in my plan to go for it...

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correction ,,what i wrote above is not correct...

My overall ROI = -3%

My fulltracking ITM = +15% last 120 days ITM = 19%

so all you see in this post is correct now...also the previous i have edit it,

Edited by uhhcallmi (Wednesday, October 31, 2012 @ 19:35 GMT)


     
  31-Oct-12, 19:12   #4
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
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by playing micro MTT you will see the freeroll players back who made some money on a freeroll and that wanne gamble again.
I prefer to avoid MTT, as I hink they last to long (my AVG time is 2 to max 3 hours a session) and MTT last longer.
And I don tlike the first 30 minutes of a freeroll ar low buy-in MTT (gamblers that go allin preflop)

I play 1$ SNG and cash games 0.01/0.02 and 0.02/0.04
There it s easy to take some money from the donks (especially by postflop play)


     
  31-Oct-12, 20:40   #5
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HenryMinute 

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I don't think they are necessarily the best way to make money but they sure are a good way to build a bankroll.

You should take a look at some of the "Build a bankroll" training videos from 'ahar010' on poker stars poker school online dot com (join that together Smile )

     
  31-Oct-12, 21:24   #6
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Mober 
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Depends on the games you play and your luck Smile
I have seen players playing the micros and getting a daily steady income.
Just from playing 0.01-0.02.
When they generate from 20-40$ per day thats for me is an excellent result for such a limit
wish i could hit that too.

     
  31-Oct-12, 21:45   #7
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thefly131 
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teh question is : What s the reason to play poker at micro's ??

1. trying to built up a bankioll from almost nothing (startbudget from 0 up to 50 $)
2. just enjoying playing poker without depositing or just doing minimum deposit
3. playing poker without risking big looses in short time

If your goal is to live from pokerwinnings at micro's , seems difficult as you need at least 1000 $ a month to live in Western Europe. This means at an average win of 35 $ a day. (10 hours of an average win of 3.5$) (with average i mean the losses of downswiings and bad beats included)

If you can do that , I would recommand to play higher stakes (very good poker skills)

     
  1-Nov-12, 00:36   #8
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jessthehuman 

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I wouldn't say they're a good way to make money, if you're talking truly 'micro' stakes then definitely you're not going to earn a decent wage.

They're definitely not a waste of time either though, you have to start somewhere and I think they're infinitely more valuable in learning the game than freerolls and play chips are.

Posted by uhhcallmi:
usualy my goal is to win around 50-100 $ on each session i start playing...


Yeah? $50-$100 per SESSION? on Micro-Stakes? WTF?

Out of curiosity, exactly what stakes/games are you referring too? And how long is a session?

I fail to see how you can make $50-$100 on average, each session if you're talking about SNG/MTT < $5 and Ring games <nl25 and session < 3hrs

     
  1-Nov-12, 09:13   #9
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uhhcallmi 

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Talking about SNG's from 1.5$ up to 4.5$ and all inbetween + MTT's in that range,not higher..

Sessions may last over 8 hours..but over 10 hours is the maximum..

i know this is possible..but compared to what i get for the invested time and the effort it cost me,i'm thinking to add a 0 to the buy-inns i make..

work less hard ,play less tournaments,and get into higher pricepools..


     
  1-Nov-12, 14:26   #10
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ayaraled 
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build a bankroll and move up to a higher level to make money...i think you can only win around 20percent of you BR evrytime you play around 4 hours ....if your playing really good ....you can make it to 100 percent if your running really hot.... Assuming that you have at least 25 BB and your playing cash game micros...also the downswing and losses may also be the same....

     
  1-Nov-12, 14:40   #11
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WinAllDay 
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Those are low percentages for sit and go tournaments in my opinion. I wouldn't worry about the actual money your making at the micros. I look at the stats. obviously i am always trying to boost my roi, but also my hourly rate. for STT you should be cashing 45%+ to be lockin in some solid roi and to beat that rake for more hourly.

thats just my 2 cents.

     
  1-Nov-12, 15:44   #12
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pochui 

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micros have one serious weakness if you want to make regular income from them- they actually are "macros" when it comes down to rake Big Smile so i guess if you are thinking of income from micro's- i can say this: you can make money from it, but you will have to run better just to beat the rake...for me micro's is just a good place to enjoy myself, i look at poker just as hobby

     
  1-Nov-12, 17:13   #13
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AHMED000 
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never play micros at pokerstar s trust me

     
  1-Nov-12, 21:51   #14
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Greenmohave 

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Personally I don't think the micros are all that bad. I'm talking $1.10 to $5.50 SnG's 18 to 45 players. I made quite a bit of my initial BR playing these and I don't play multi-table. Usually always one game at a time staying focused on the players, being patient until the blinds are up unless I have an excellent starting hand.

It's all based on the technique you use to play your games and I believe patience is a virtue in winning thesemes or placing top 4 at least since this is where you start to gain the most value for your time and buy-in. This is just my opinion and to each their own! Good Luck!

     
  1-Nov-12, 22:43   #15
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AHMED000 
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i feel that high limits r just better to play not much tilting i have made a decent income from higher limits cash / tourneys. u r playing poker to make money so id suggest higher limits to build a decent bankroll, sometimes for just a laugh i ll play lower limits but just for fun. i feel partypoker is a very decent site had a bit of luck in cash games and the tourneys r also good not to many players but a decent prizepool. Dollar Thumbs Up

     
  1-Nov-12, 22:46   #16
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fcumred 

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Higher stakes games are better in so far as you will get more respect when you raise with big hands like AK, AQ etc.. At micro stakes you will get called by donks who have to see the flop no matter what the bet is.

Micro stakes players do not look at table image, pot odds, histories etc they are usually extremely poor players who do not understand poker or the maths behind it.

You will never see a high stakes player play garbage and say "well I won didn't I" when they suck out.

So if you want to play poker go for higher stakes. If you want bingo and to win using luck alone, go for the lower limits.

     
  2-Nov-12, 00:30   #17
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jessthehuman 

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Posted by fcumred:
Higher stakes games are better in so far as you will get more respect when you raise with big hands like AK, AQ etc.. At micro stakes you will get called by donks who have to see the flop no matter what the bet is.

Micro stakes players do not look at table image, pot odds, histories etc they are usually extremely poor players who do not understand poker or the maths behind it.

You will never see a high stakes player play garbage and say "well I won didn't I" when they suck out.

So if you want to play poker go for higher stakes. If you want bingo and to win using luck alone, go for the lower limits.



LOL WHAT ! What a load of rubbish! Just an awful post.

Higher stakes games are better in so far as you will get more respect when you raise with big hands like AK, AQ etc. (AHAHHAHAHAHA have you ever actually played high(ish) stakes? and LMAO @ move up to where they respect your raises. IMHO the exact opposite is actually true). At micro stakes you will get called by donks who have to see the flop no matter what the bet is. (EXCELLENT EASY MONEY)


So if you want to play poker go for higher stakes (Yes - if you want to lose your bankroll- unless you are really really fucking good).. If you want bingo and to win using luck alone (LMAO ! What? Luck alone? Micros are the EASIEST stakes to beat using skill. The higher the stakes go - the smaller the edges and the higher the variance), go for the lower limits.



jesus. what a bad post.

     
  2-Nov-12, 01:03   #18
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fcumred 

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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by fcumred:
Higher stakes games are better in so far as you will get more respect when you raise with big hands like AK, AQ etc.. At micro stakes you will get called by donks who have to see the flop no matter what the bet is.

Micro stakes players do not look at table image, pot odds, histories etc they are usually extremely poor players who do not understand poker or the maths behind it.

You will never see a high stakes player play garbage and say "well I won didn't I" when they suck out.

So if you want to play poker go for higher stakes. If you want bingo and to win using luck alone, go for the lower limits.



LOL WHAT ! What a load of rubbish! Just an awful post.

Higher stakes games are better in so far as you will get more respect when you raise with big hands like AK, AQ etc. (AHAHHAHAHAHA have you ever actually played high(ish) stakes? and LMAO @ move up to where they respect your raises. IMHO the exact opposite is actually true). At micro stakes you will get called by donks who have to see the flop no matter what the bet is. (EXCELLENT EASY MONEY)


So if you want to play poker go for higher stakes (Yes - if you want to lose your bankroll- unless you are really really fucking good).. If you want bingo and to win using luck alone (LMAO ! What? Luck alone? Micros are the EASIEST stakes to beat using skill. The higher the stakes go - the smaller the edges and the higher the variance), go for the lower limits.



jesus. what a bad post.


Oh here we are.. the resident super pro who knows everything about nothing..

Ask anyone where the donks are and they will tell you its at the micro limits. Anyone with half a brain ( of which you've proven time and time again you don't fit in ) where you are more likely to make a decent ROI, its on the higher stakes MTTs.

The micro stakes MTTs are donkfests. Pure and simple. Idiots who call with any crap hoping to get lucky.. How many times do you see posts saying "My AA got screwed by 8 3 offsuit in a $109 MTT on PS".. You don't....

Seriously, give your head a wobble... you are a complete idiot if you think you are more likely to win a micro stakes MTT using skill than you are a higher stakes game.. Only a fool would suggest otherwise..




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strange how most votes suggest the higher the stakes the better, theres only ONE person who seems to think that the lower limits are hte best way to make money.. Guess who that idiot is..

So stupid they didn't even vote for the option they are arguing for.

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Posted by jessthehuman:
I wouldn't say they're a good way to make money, if you're talking truly 'micro' stakes then definitely you're not going to earn a decent wage.

They're definitely not a waste of time either though, you have to start somewhere and I think they're infinitely more valuable in learning the game than freerolls and play chips are.



So playing micro stakes is better than playing freerolls and playchips, but higher stakes isn't better than playing micro stakes....

Are you on some form of medication, narcotics or generally just stupid ?

Edited by fcumred (Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 01:13 GMT)


     
  2-Nov-12, 01:26   #19
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jessthehuman 

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You've completely misinterpreted so many things. Micro stakes are better than playing freerolls or playchips because they'll train you better for betting higher stakes. It's still easier to beat freeroll and playchip games though - you can get an insanely high "ROI" playing play chip games, for example.

Call me an idiot but you think the higher the limits you play the better your ROI will be. And that for some reason because people play less like donks at higher limits, they're what, easier to beat? wtf. Donks/fish are the easiest to beat, not the people that play well. Seriously, why don't you jump in some $3/$6 NL games or some $5/$10 ones and just see. And for it's worth I've clocked up 10s of thousands of hands at those stakes and let me tell you - if you think just because they're not donks they play their good cards only like good aces and pocket pairs and "respect your raises" (haha the higher you go the MORE likely you are to be 3bet or 4bet lite). not s**t man you would get totally mind raped.

Your original post that I ridiculed was bad enough; although I was feeling a bit bad for being so harsh, probably could have been more polite. But your follow up post is even worse, you're just so wrong on so many fundamentals it's a joke. Seriously. Wow.

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If you really wanna prove your point (I know I'm right and don't really f**king care what you or anyone else thinks). But if you wanna embarrass yourself a bit; I f**king dare you to C&P this into the 2+2 poker theory forum. Seriously I dare you.

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Posted by fcumred:
strange how most votes suggest the higher the stakes the better, theres only ONE person who seems to think that the lower limits are hte best way to make money.. Guess who that idiot is..

Posted by jessthehuman:
I wouldn't say they're a good way to make money, if you're talking truly 'micro' stakes then definitely you're not going to earn a decent wage.


Are you on some form of medication, narcotics or generally just stupid ?



What's that again? What did I say?

Man - you say I said micro stakes are a good way to earn money and then YOU quote me saying the exact opposite as your evidence. Jesus f**k, dropped on your head or what?

Edited by jessthehuman (Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 01:32 GMT)


     
  2-Nov-12, 20:59   #20
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uhhcallmi 

Joined: Mar '12
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please folks ,,don't make a problem out of nothing...

i was just asking ,because i want to spend less time playing so i'll have more energy when i play
and will be able to concentrate better...

i think we have heard enough opinions in this thread...so instead of fighting one another...better if we leave it here..

thnks for you opinions anyway..

Worship

     
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