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  13-Nov-12, 04:16   #1
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Shooshly 
Joined: May '12
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So, I've heard a lot of complaining about "bingo" players on the BMR freeroll. Which got me thinking, how could we limit that? (if there's been a thread like this, then I apologize in advance Smile

Anyways, the idea would be (though I don't know if it can be done on internet sites), to basically start with limit poker, and go NL post flop? I mean, I basically can't see any other real way to do it ... if you want to, that is.

Personally, I can see how it could ruin somebody's game, who's basically just wishing to see a few flops w/o serious risk. Me, I just see it as a part of poker, though it is too akin to gambling for my liking.

Your thoughts?

     
  13-Nov-12, 07:08   #2
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shokaku 

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One has to expect players, who will go high risks to either build up a big stack or bust out early in a freeroll. If players can't handle this, they should play other games.

     
  13-Nov-12, 07:23   #3
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magatt966 

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Posted by shokaku:
One has to expect players, who will go high risks to either build up a big stack or bust out early in a freeroll. If players can't handle this, they should play other games.


... and that's all ....

     
  13-Nov-12, 09:09   #4
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lukasb 

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On pokerstars 2.5k + runners every time and it takes around 2 hours to get to the final stages, this with most of them moving all-in and busting out early in the tournament as u say.
How long wouldn't it be with PL? it's just 5 bucks first place lol, it's hardly worth the effort m8. Just be glad if u make itm most times and fast for the leaderboard.other than that there's no need to be battling all day for a small reward.

     
  13-Nov-12, 10:06   #5
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
Location: Belgium
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Well there are different kind of people that play freerolls :

- those who try to get ITM with serious pokerplay
- those who try to built up a huge stack as quick as possible (or leave torney)
- those who just want to do crazy (just for fun)

observe and make a profit of it


     
  13-Nov-12, 12:00   #6
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Fakiry 

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Seems a nice way to battle it. Now you just have to find out when to pass from limit to NL, and hope it’s not that far on the tourney, or you can find yourself too short stacked to keep playing well. It will be difficult. I would play real tight aggressive during the first hour. If things run well, I should multiplying my stack for 5 or 6. Then, turning less aggressive but keeping tight, to reduce the amount of chips won on each pot, but keeping the winning streak. Seems easy, but you have to pray to have the good hands on the right time and having opponents calling your sick raises on those exact moments. First fish will be easily caught on this net, after the first hour things turn a lot more difficult, that’s why the way of playing has to change. GL!

     
  13-Nov-12, 13:40   #7
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Weenie 
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I really dont like any type of bet sizing limit in Holdem. I think It ruining game, but if heres many players who wants a change, then pot limit only for preflop could be good compromise. But I dont know if its possible to make it.

     
  13-Nov-12, 18:38   #8
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pochui 

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freerolls are freerolls- you shouldn't expect solid game there at all, especially in the early stages. there are some decent players in the field, but generally they are overshadowed by total donks. i think if you want some more logical game, you should skip the first 30 min-1h depending on the stack size & blinds- donks actually start playing better when in the back of their mind they begin to believe that they can win some cash...

     
  13-Nov-12, 20:21   #9
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Macubaas 
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You can not limit that, even if there are only good players from time to time they make moves that on regular tournaments would never do...

I think freerolls are played the way they are simply because the player has nothing to lose in the first place.

     
  13-Nov-12, 20:37   #10
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occultum 
Joined: Aug '11
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Yes you can't limit .. the only way to limit that is going against the concept of freeroll in the first place. If players aren't breaking any rules, which they aren't, they are allowed to go bingo mode, which is very common unfortunatly in freerolls (everywhere). The only way you can prevenet being faced with so much of this situations is to play buy in tournemants, the higher the more conservative on average of players you will find. If you want to play freerolls/free satellites you will have to learn how to deal with this situation and think about a strategy to make the best out of it.

     
  13-Nov-12, 21:23   #11
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
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No matter what you cant do anything about these players.
And its not only in the BRM freerolls.
It happens everywhere and they follow a very simple concept of either building at the
beginning or busting out early

     
  13-Nov-12, 21:28   #12
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xxxpokerxxx1 

Joined: May '08
Location: Canada
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I think maybe if brm found a way to host the brm games,in the Home Games,section of Ps client,this might solve the issue,and get rig of the thieves,this way you would need to be a part of the brm home games,and Brm its self to actually play,the freerolls.

But having said that I can imagine that is easier said then done,plus there Just private freerolls,that non members can play. There are ways to fix it,but requires work.
I can imagine that would just create more issues,for the powers at b here.
You can find the passwords posted on most Russian forums,within mins of them being posted here.
So unless you find who is leaking the password,tuff luck,just have try beat all of them,(Bingo players)

     
  13-Nov-12, 22:00   #13
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RoninHarper 

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
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Greetings,
Well as a person who has play poker for over 30 years now, I can tell you I have played in tourny's like what you are surgesting and can tell you it was a grind. People were complaining the entire first hour. If you do not like people being able to shove all in pre-flop then just stop playing no-limit holdem.
I personally think no-limit is the best way to go at all time but then I have always hated limit holdem, even when it part of my income stream. I played poker for 2 years as my only means of income. I got totally burned out and limit allows far to many suckout kings to stay till the river because they know they stack is pretty safe in one hand

     
  13-Nov-12, 23:22   #14
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Shooshly 
Joined: May '12
Location: Slovenia
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Posted by lukasb:
On pokerstars 2.5k + runners every time and it takes around 2 hours to get to the final stages, this with most of them moving all-in and busting out early in the tournament as u say.
How long wouldn't it be with PL? it's just 5 bucks first place lol, it's hardly worth the effort m8. Just be glad if u make itm most times and fast for the leaderboard.other than that there's no need to be battling all day for a small reward.


It would be FL just preflop Smile Someone else suggested pot-limit, but that doesn't solve the problem since it would only be raise-reraise-allins all over again Smile

And to the last reply, I agree. It's just that some complain Smile

As for the password leaking, another site has an associated system, where you can't enter a freeroll if you're not part of the site and have an associated account Smile

     
  13-Nov-12, 23:46   #15
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damosk 
Joined: Feb '11
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Do you remember Wimbledon Football Club in UK in the 80's and 90's? they played fotball with an aggressive style and of a long ball type. Most people said 'thats not footbal' but they were really successful. For me, theynplayed tontheir strengths andthe fact others didnt like it made it even moreintesting and less predictable.

     
  13-Nov-12, 23:51   #16
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jessthehuman 

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Location: Australia
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I don't understand why on earth you would ever want to 'fix' the 'problem'. There is nothing better than being in a tournament where people are willing to go AIPF with trash hands. Fantastic. Don't fix it- that is a wonderful opportunity for you to double/triple up with your premium hands. So what if you occasionally bust to trash - don't be a sook!

     
  14-Nov-12, 01:21   #17
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Greenmohave 

Joined: Jan '11
Location: United States
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It's hard to be a consistent player when in freerols. Yes, you can sit and play only the very best hands, but it only takes one allin by the risky players to take you down. It seems you have to be a bit inconsistent yourself to fair well in freerolls and then there's no consistentcy in where you'll place.
Actually been ignoring most of the freerolls due to the length of time it takes to win such a small amount. At least on the daily freerolls on Carbon.

     
  14-Nov-12, 05:11   #18
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rbdflyboy 

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Location: Canada
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There is a forum (probably one of many) where you can give and obtain passwords for all kinds of freerolls. When they run their daily freerolls they're password protected as well, with a twist. The password screen pops up when one tries to register,but, there is no password. One must be a registered member of that forum and meet the minimum requirements to register. If one sees the password screen pop up when trying to register then...sol. Personally, wouldn't share passwords so....sol. Restricting access can be done...it just won't. IMHO changing game structure won't change anything.

     
  14-Nov-12, 05:25   #19
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jessthehuman 

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Personally I think people need to take freerolls less seriously. Not view them as a legitimate way of making money; because they're really not. They are a great way however to practise some poker and maybe win a small prize - without any financial risk and I think that is a fantastic thing and people should just be happy and grateful about this instead of every single poker forum on the internet having people bitch about freerolls on it.

Once you're ready to take the plunge, deposit some money and start playing the 'real' poker you all so desperately want - although believe me, playing against people that don't go allin pre flop with trash is a lot harder than playing against idiots who do, fair warning.

     
  14-Nov-12, 09:08   #20
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rbdflyboy 

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Posted by jessthehuman:
Personally I think people need to take freerolls less seriously. Not view them as a legitimate way of making money; because they're really not. They are a great way however to practise some poker and maybe win a small prize - without any financial risk and I think that is a fantastic thing and people should just be happy and grateful about this instead of every single poker forum on the internet having people bitch about freerolls on it.

Once you're ready to take the plunge, deposit some money and start playing the 'real' poker you all so desperately want - although believe me, playing against people that don't go allin pre flop with trash is a lot harder than playing against idiots who do, fair warning.


Very well said...couldn't agree more. Smile

     
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