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  15-Nov-12, 03:38   #1
Am i stupid or what 0 
StarinaNovak 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Serbia
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 121
I was playing 1.5$ SNG's at PS having few consecutive wins,trying to get at SNG leaderboard,doing well also in this tournament and then this hand happened:

PokerStars Hand #89259949525: Tournament #643884065, $1.32+$0.18 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2012/11/15 4:13:53 CET [2012/11/14 22:13:53 ET]
Table '643884065 1' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: siitse (1915 in chips)
Seat 2: PajaCutura (2215 in chips)
Seat 3: dekfish (1305 in chips)
Seat 4: wmillion (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: ZimCard# (980 in chips)
Seat 6: mrciinhoo (1125 in chips)
wmillion: posts small blind 15
ZimCard#: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PajaCutura [Ad Ac]
mrciinhoo: raises 30 to 60
siitse: folds
PajaCutura: raises 120 to 180
dekfish: folds
wmillion: calls 165
ZimCard#: folds
mrciinhoo: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [5h Qs 7d]
wmillion: bets 1280 and is all-in
mrciinhoo: folds
PajaCutura: calls 1280
*** TURN *** [5h Qs 7d] 6 of diamonds
*** RIVER *** [5h Qs 7d 6d] 3 of hearts
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wmillion: shows [4d 3d] (a straight, Three to Seven)
PajaCutura: shows [Ad Ac] (a pair of Aces)
wmillion collected 3130 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3130 | Rake 0
Board [5h Qs 7d 6d 3h]
Seat 1: siitse folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: PajaCutura showed [Ad Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: dekfish (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: wmillion (small blind) showed [4d 3d] and won (3130) with a straight, Three to Seven
Seat 5: ZimCard# (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: mrciinhoo folded on the Flop

What a fu*k this guy was trying and why this kind of donk gets lucky?I really don't understand what is going on in his mind and he goes all in with 4 3.If this was live play and he was sitting near to me I would stand up and punch him so hard that he remember this straight for whole life.
I usually don't comment bad beats but i have to post this one.

What are your thoughts about this?Did I do anything wrong?

     
  15-Nov-12, 05:36   #2
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Doarulle 
Joined: Sep '12
Location: Romania
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 1052
If you are, i am too... but this is variation... what can you do when pokerstars give then pokerstars take? i really think to participate at the micro millions but no money, think is better for me because i can get a lot of bad beats ... wish you luck on the future

     
  15-Nov-12, 06:09   #3
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figueiredo 

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Portugal
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 2
just use play money,that's what i do...all casinos are rigged,Jokerstars is no exeption...

     
  15-Nov-12, 06:30   #4
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
Posted by figueiredo:
just use play money,that's what i do...



balla. you must get all the girls.

     
  15-Nov-12, 07:23   #5
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magatt966 

Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 3713
Posted by figueiredo:
just use play money,that's what i do.



I would suggest highstakes playmoney cause micros are full of donks going allin with craps Tongue Tongue

BTW: in that hand there is a stupid player, but it's not you Thumbs Up

Edited by magatt966 (Thursday, November 15, 2012 @ 07:27 GMT)


     
  15-Nov-12, 07:33   #6
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Mysik86 

Joined: Nov '11
Location: Poland
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 773
I think, that with that hand you should raise more than 180... You may bet 300 minimum I think...
But yeah - he was so dumb and so lucky... S**t happens Blink

     
  15-Nov-12, 08:04   #7
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magatt966 

Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 3713
Posted by Mysik86:
I think, that with that hand you should raise more than 180... You may bet 300 minimum I think...


He raised 3-time original raise: it's standard play if you are in position; I raise more when I've to 3bet (and eventually play postflop) out of position.

Don't think Starina's betsize is a mistake: sometimes, when facing oppos who use to 4bet a lot, I reraise their raises also less than 3x (my stantard is 2.5x in these cases) with premium hands hoping in a 4bet.


     
  15-Nov-12, 08:51   #8
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retribution 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 1490
Posted by magatt966:
Posted by Mysik86:
I think, that with that hand you should raise more than 180... You may bet 300 minimum I think...


He raised 3-time original raise: it's standard play if you are in position; I raise more when I've to 3bet (and eventually play postflop) out of position.

Don't think Starina's betsize is a mistake: sometimes, when facing oppos who use to 4bet a lot, I reraise their raises also less than 3x (my stantard is 2.5x in these cases) with premium hands hoping in a 4bet.



2.5x is pretty much my standard 3bet size too, unless I'm in an awkward spot where I'm between a limper and the initial raiser, in which case I tend to go with 3 - 3.5x to discourage the limper/isolate.

As for OP's question, I don't think there was anything terribly bad about the hand pre-flop.
Perhaps I WOULD 3-bet a bit more, to say 220 or so, but otherwise I think it's totally fine.

I'd really like to know WTF villian is doing jamming for like 4x the pot on the flop with nothing but a gutshot. It's the micros, so really you see this kind of retarded s**t all the time, and it's supremely aggravating when they suckout. I mean of course they typically don't think beyond their cards, but the message a move like that conveys isn't good. Either they've got a total monster (Trips), or absolute air. They give everyone else involved in the hand the total power to decide whether they think they should carry on or not, and kill absolutely ALL value of their hand if they DO have a monster. Not to mention the sick odds it gives to anyone that has them crushed. Just plain stupid on so many levels.

Personally, I don't like calling a huge overbet like that with nothing but top pair. Sure he could be on total air, but even then he could be live, and it sucks when you make the call and run into a monster. And at that level, more often than not it IS a monster imho.

     
  15-Nov-12, 12:32   #9
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StarinaNovak 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Serbia
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 121

[/QUOTE]
Personally, I don't like calling a huge overbet like that with nothing but top pair. Sure he could be on total air, but even then he could be live, and it sucks when you make the call and run into a monster. And at that level, more often than not it IS a monster imho. [/QUOTE]

I agree with this.I also usually don't call with top pair all in,but i already played with this guy,and now how he plays.He goes all in to often with all kind of hands,with middle and sometimes with low pair and he calls others all in with this kind of hands.So I was pretty sure he had nothing and in this case i had stronger hand then top pair which i assumed he had.
But as someone already said sh*t happens,and i play poker for enough time to understand that and I know that in next 5 meeting with this guy he will be mine in 4 maybe all 5 meetings.

Anyway thanks for answers and GL at tables

     
  15-Nov-12, 12:55   #10
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Serpang 
Joined: Jan '10
Location: Indonesia
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 1477
Posted by Doarulle:
If you are, i am too... but this is variation... what can you do when pokerstars give then pokerstars take? i really think to participate at the micro millions but no money, think is better for me because i can get a lot of bad beats ... wish you luck on the future



I got it a lot, too Sad Sad Sad Sad always there are donk out there Shock what can we do ? i also always ask why donk get lucky ? that's really unfair. Donk play like s hit but SOMETIMES they win. Are they winning player. Someone told to me : just keep play solid poker, one day you will find your way Smile
( until now I didn't meet my way , lol )

     
  15-Nov-12, 13:44   #11
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StarinaNovak 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Serbia
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 121
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by figueiredo:
just use play money,that's what i do...



balla. you must get all the girls.


Big Smile Big Smile Thumbs Up

     
  15-Nov-12, 14:00   #12
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RoninHarper 

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 4440
Congratsulations mate. you have just be the victom of what I call television poker. These idiots watch poker on tv and see somebody play this kind of crap and win. so they think oh I seen whomever play these exact two cards on tv saturday and he won with them. I guess I should try them too I will win big. BAM they suck out and think they are genius players.
This type of garbage play has been happoning more and more in live play too. The skill level of alot of poker players has actually decreased since it became popular on tv.
This can be both good and bad when you are playing these donks. you never know when your gonna completely bust them out and get paid well from their stupidity of you are gonna get a bad beat reaming.
I lost $500 when my pocket ace lost to a guy playing "Queen 7" off suit last weekend.
I flopped a boat aces over sevens and shoved all in, he called and hit a 3rd 7 on the river to win with quads.
Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

     
  15-Nov-12, 14:42   #13
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haritos19 
Joined: Nov '12
Location: Greece
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 4
Well he was a bit lucky but by far dumb.When you play with real money you should think before calling all in etc..or he just didn't mind about his money..but in anyways you are not idiot. Smile Dollar

     
  15-Nov-12, 15:30   #14
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
Location: Belgium
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 1345
It s always risky to call huge overbets.

I sometimes dare to use this strategy at micros, when I hit a set on the flop, check it and call a raise, after the turn I just go allin and most of them call the allin with just highet pair or overpair.

But with AA better put a higher reraise preflop, and I would problably have folded the allin postflop.
He could have hit 2 pair or a set.




     
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