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Poker Players Want Howard Lederer Banned From The Aria

Tags: full tilt poker, howard lederer, las vegas, nick divella, the aria poker room
Posted on Monday, November 19, 2012 by "T".
A group of cash game grinders, led by Las Vegas pro Nick DiVella, are doing everything in their power to get former Full Tilt Poker owner Howard Lederer, who made a public return to poker last month, banned from the Aria poker room in Las Vegas. The group are trying to achieve this by handing out a petition and gathering signatures. Nick DiVella claims that over 50 well-known poker players are [...]   Read more » Poker Players Want Howard Lederer Banned From The Aria

  19-Nov-12, 11:12   #1
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pochui 

Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 8648
very good move, i wouldn't want to be sitting with this guy at the table too- he is a piece of sh1t & if you sit next to him you might get smelly too. hope that he will be banned from live poker in whole vegas- of course there is an old effective method to ban him from live poker- kick his ass so badly that he couldn't sit on the chair...looool

     
  19-Nov-12, 11:56   #2
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Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4764
It makes all sense. It's obvious the reason why they are moving this way, if his name is involved in such big dirty thing like Blakc Friday, who's the guy that wants to have him at the same table? I really can't understand why did he even started so sson to go again to a casino to play... some guys don't ever look at the mirror...

     
  19-Nov-12, 11:58   #3
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bullettooth1 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 1635
he definitely doesn't deserve to be allowed in any poker room with the money he stole from players who, as result from his actions can now not play poker until the US authorities give them that money back.
he's got some balls i'll give him that Disagree

     
  19-Nov-12, 13:05   #4
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3pokeronly 

Joined: Jul '12
Location: New Zealand
Age: 51 (M)
Posts: 233
I know some poker pro's are supportive of HW and are withholding judgment until the criminal proceedings are complete, they seem more than happy to play him in any fair live game. Others, as per above, obviously feel very strongly that the proof is in the accusation and HW, as a director of the companies indicted is directly culpable, which seems a bit like, guilty until proven innocent. After reading this news article, I attempted to read some of the official court filling's and the back up of such, the whole issue seems to stem from around 2008, when spokes were put in the wheels by the US DOJ, limiting and reducing what seems like legitimate transactions from individual US based player, the risk of money laundering (Illegal payoffs, cleaning cash) and wire fraud (Hiding income, reducing tax and or liability) acted as the basis for this action. Full Tilt, Pokerstars et al, should of, in my opinion, have immediately halted any US player's from playing, depositing and withdrawing any funds and then scheduled pro rata, if required refunds to any and all US based players, all directors fee's, profit (real or forecast) share and bonus payment should immediately be suspended, the subsequent continued service and the funds being frozen mid-stream stymied Full Tilt, Pokerstars et al to cover the “Legitimate winnings” of the US based players. How much each of the individual directors knew or were involved with the day-to-day finances may, at the end of the day reveal culpability, until then, I am going to withhold my judgment on any one individual. With regard to HW purchasing a large property, his legitimate winnings seem to have been able to afford him that ability, based on his previous, real, live winnings. I truly hope that the truth will out and if HW or any other entity involved performed any illegal act(s). Aside from the "Gambling" dispute which at it's core, is more about definition than cause, e.g. If I was a US based player and wanted to play some poker, I would expect a rake or tournament fee to be part of the deal, do I consider poker "gambling"? No, it is a skill sport/pastime. I would love to have the US players back in the game and any and all truly guilty parties brought to task.

     
  19-Nov-12, 13:10   #5
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1631
Is it even possible for a casino to legally ban someone based on a petition?
I doubt they can do much more than to ask him nicely.

Lederer might deserve what he gets, but I don't agree with taking hostages (i.e. the casino by threatening to collectively walk out).

Before you know it, casino's will be paying Lederer to stay away... Seems like a less than desirable outcome to me.

     
  20-Nov-12, 18:47   #6
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victoryv111 

Joined: Feb '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 55 (M)
Posts: 169
Howard Lead-us-on

     
  20-Nov-12, 19:01   #7
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saynothing 

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
Age: 55 (F)
Posts: 589
howard should be tied to a tree naked with his nutts soaked in peanut butter, then let a few hundred giant rats do what they want with him Agree

     
  20-Nov-12, 21:04   #8
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Macubaas 
Joined: Apr '11
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 6668
If you ask me i think this guy should be banned from all poker rooms and also all poker sites out there!

Now i'm not sure if this is possible to do, i mean everyone can so whatever with his money but if you think about it those are not his money lol

     
  17-Jan-13, 17:41   #9
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Corby_Sniper 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 54 (M)
Posts: 14
Posted by marqis:
Is it even possible for a casino to legally ban someone based on a petition?
I doubt they can do much more than to ask him nicely.

Lederer might deserve what he gets, but I don't agree with taking hostages (i.e. the casino by threatening to collectively walk out).

Before you know it, casino's will be paying Lederer to stay away... Seems like a less than desirable outcome to me.

easier way is if he sits down at the table, all players get up and move to another table

     
  5-Dec-14, 23:37   #10
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jdcontois23 
Joined: May '14
Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 1
f**k howard and his slut sister

     
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