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  21-Nov-12, 16:17   #1
How to play monsters? 0 
djpremier 
Joined: Dec '10
Location: Finland
Age: 24 (M)
Posts: 419
Okey here's an interesting hand... I was playing rush poker on FT and got a monster hand (which I eventually lost) but I'd like to know your opinion on my play ..

Here's my thoughts:

About preflop I'm not sure... Just wanted to see the flop and get out easily against overcards if they hit the flop I guess..
Then on the flop I wanted to win the pot from any flushdraws / overcards ..
On the turn the enemy checks and I check to see if he tries to get the pot on river..
On the river with the 4th club Im happy to see a bet from the enemy and it's easy all-in ...
Too bad it was a queen ...

Anyways .. what do you think about my play? I believe I got what I wanted : all the chips in the middle with a strong hand ..


Full Tilt Poker Game #31478657529: Table Flash - $0.02/$0.05 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:57:01 EET - 2012/11/21 [10:57:01 ET - 2012/11/21]
Seats: 9
Seat 1: MSilenus2 ($4.76)
Seat 2: OisNeiLutzn ($4.64)
Seat 3: elputo5 ($5.30)
Seat 4: Son of Neckbone ($5.24)
Seat 5: rogua ($4.43)
Seat 6: tomaszsaui ($3.37)
Seat 7: BlaqPoeet ($4.14)
Seat 8: RibzyAA ($4.90)
Seat 9: ronaldopf ($7.05)
MSilenus2 posts the small blind of $0.02
OisNeiLutzn posts the big blind of $0.05
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BlaqPoeet [Jd Jh]
elputo5 folds
Son of Neckbone folds
rogua raises to $0.15
tomaszsaui folds
BlaqPoeet calls $0.15
RibzyAA folds
ronaldopf folds
MSilenus2 calls $0.13
OisNeiLutzn folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc 6c Jc] (Total Pot: $0.50, 3 Players)
MSilenus2 checks
rogua checks
BlaqPoeet bets $0.40
MSilenus2 folds
rogua has 15 seconds left to act
rogua calls $0.40
*** TURN *** [Tc 6c Jc] 6 of diamonds (Total Pot: $1.30, 2 Players)
rogua checks
BlaqPoeet has 15 seconds left to act
BlaqPoeet checks
*** RIVER *** [Tc 6c Jc 6d] Queen of clubs (Total Pot: $1.30, 2 Players)
rogua bets $1.30
BlaqPoeet raises to $3.59, and is all in
rogua calls $2.29
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BlaqPoeet shows [Jd Jh] a full house, Jacks full of Sixes
rogua shows [Ac Kc] a Royal Flush
rogua wins the pot ($7.92) with a Royal Flush
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.48 | Rake $0.56
Board: [Tc 6c Jc 6d Qc]
Seat 1: MSilenus2 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: OisNeiLutzn (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: elputo5 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Son of Neckbone didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: rogua showed [Ac Kc] and won ($7.92) with a Royal Flush
Seat 6: tomaszsaui didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: BlaqPoeet showed [Jd Jh] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Sixes
Seat 8: RibzyAA didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: ronaldopf (button) didn't bet (folded)

     
  21-Nov-12, 16:42   #2
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jovicakralj 

Joined: Nov '10
Location: Serbia
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 2075
Bad check on turn. No reason for you not too bet since evrything that calls you on flop will probably call turn too. And to win big pot you need to build it on whole 3 streets. River was a cold deck and even if you bet turn you would (as I sad) got called so nothing to do about it.

     
  21-Nov-12, 17:02   #3
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djpremier 
Joined: Dec '10
Location: Finland
Age: 24 (M)
Posts: 419
Thanks .. I'm not really sure why I checked..Wasn't really thinking ..I think I believed he was on flush draw.. in the lowest stakes people often call big bets with flush draws, even gutshot straight draws sometimes : //

     
  21-Nov-12, 17:20   #4
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Weenie 
Joined: Aug '12
Location: Slovakia
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 678
Royal flush vs fullhouse.. rofl when I will be lucky like this to win it? Actually I am on that other side like you here Big Smile losing with sets, flushes, fullhouse too isnt big problem for me Big Smile

     
  21-Nov-12, 17:24   #5
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1631
Posted by jovicakralj:
Bad check on turn. No reason for you not too bet since evrything that calls you on flop will probably call turn too. And to win big pot you need to build it on whole 3 streets. River was a cold deck and even if you bet turn you would (as I sad) got called so nothing to do about it.

I agree on betting the turn, but you need to make sure you give sufficient pot odds for him to call if he's just on the nut flush draw (i.e. don't chase him away if he just has Ac).

In that case he would have 9 outs (the remaining clubs), with just the river card to come, so he would need about 5 to 1 odds to call. This means you should only bet about $0.30 - $0.35 cents into the $1.30 pot.

But at least you get the extra $0.30 cents that you miss if he doesn't hit his flush.

     
  22-Nov-12, 08:34   #6
  +1 
jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
Playing monsters is always tricky, depends what type they are. Vampires for example, good to stake them through the heart, some people say garlic, or crucifixes, but you can never be sure with those, pop-culture references are never consistent - but a good stake in the heart is always a winning strategy. Although personally - I think the best strategy is to try and become a vampire, seriously - that would be fucking cool.

Werewolves, you can try a silver bullet, otherwise perhaps you can sneak up behind them and then just ride them around like a horse.

If it's a monkey with a knife, well then don't be a p***y - I think you could probably take it.

     
  22-Nov-12, 08:38   #7
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AlexSimion 
Joined: Mar '12
Location: Romania
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 640
Posted by jessthehuman:
Playing monsters is always tricky, depends what type they are. Vampires for example, good to stake them through the heart, some people say garlic, or crucifixes, but you can never be sure with those, pop-culture references are never consistent - but a good stake in the heart is always a winning strategy. Although personally - I think the best strategy is to try and become a vampire, seriously - that would be fucking cool.

Werewolves, you can try a silver bullet, otherwise perhaps you can sneak up behind them and then just ride them around like a horse.

If it's a monkey with a knife, well then don't be a p***y - I think you could probably take it.

Big Smile Big Smile Smile)))) Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

     
  22-Nov-12, 10:06   #8
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remco2504 
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 579
Posted by jessthehuman:
Playing monsters is always tricky, depends what type they are. Vampires for example, good to stake them through the heart, some people say garlic, or crucifixes, but you can never be sure with those, pop-culture references are never consistent - but a good stake in the heart is always a winning strategy. Although personally - I think the best strategy is to try and become a vampire, seriously - that would be fucking cool.

Werewolves, you can try a silver bullet, otherwise perhaps you can sneak up behind them and then just ride them around like a horse.

If it's a monkey with a knife, well then don't be a p***y - I think you could probably take it.


You on something again Jess ?? Big Smile

I thought you quit the hard stuff long ago ...

     
  22-Nov-12, 10:25   #9
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
Posted by remco2504:
Posted by jessthehuman:
Playing monsters is always tricky, depends what type they are. Vampires for example, good to stake them through the heart, some people say garlic, or crucifixes, but you can never be sure with those, pop-culture references are never consistent - but a good stake in the heart is always a winning strategy. Although personally - I think the best strategy is to try and become a vampire, seriously - that would be fucking cool.

Werewolves, you can try a silver bullet, otherwise perhaps you can sneak up behind them and then just ride them around like a horse.

If it's a monkey with a knife, well then don't be a p***y - I think you could probably take it.


You on something again Jess ?? Big Smile

I thought you quit the hard stuff long ago ...



yeah i wish i could quit. And yes I am. indeed.

     
  22-Nov-12, 10:50   #10
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zeroster 

Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 51 (M)
Posts: 1372
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by remco2504:
Posted by jessthehuman:
Playing monsters is always tricky, depends what type they are. Vampires for example, good to stake them through the heart, some people say garlic, or crucifixes, but you can never be sure with those, pop-culture references are never consistent - but a good stake in the heart is always a winning strategy. Although personally - I think the best strategy is to try and become a vampire, seriously - that would be fucking cool.

Werewolves, you can try a silver bullet, otherwise perhaps you can sneak up behind them and then just ride them around like a horse.

If it's a monkey with a knife, well then don't be a p***y - I think you could probably take it.


You on something again Jess ?? Big Smile

I thought you quit the hard stuff long ago ...



yeah i wish i could quit. And yes I am. indeed.


Please, please stop with the weed references. I've not touched any for 18 months now and that's after doing an ounce a week. My mouth is now watering. Sad

     
  22-Nov-12, 11:15   #11
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Doarulle 
Joined: Sep '12
Location: Romania
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 1052
Damn, that hand :O you don't need receive bad beat for see how it looks... all of us know what mean a bad beat but Full Tilt Poker wanna show you what's a bad beat mean... good for you don't play at high stakes... how was to lose 20.000 or 30.000 $ ? i think no one of us wanna know that feelings... i was angry when i lose 3-4 $ but 20K :O

     
  22-Nov-12, 12:44   #12
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
Posted by zeroster:
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by remco2504:
Posted by jessthehuman:
Playing monsters is always tricky, depends what type they are. Vampires for example, good to stake them through the heart, some people say garlic, or crucifixes, but you can never be sure with those, pop-culture references are never consistent - but a good stake in the heart is always a winning strategy. Although personally - I think the best strategy is to try and become a vampire, seriously - that would be fucking cool.

Werewolves, you can try a silver bullet, otherwise perhaps you can sneak up behind them and then just ride them around like a horse.

If it's a monkey with a knife, well then don't be a p***y - I think you could probably take it.


You on something again Jess ?? Big Smile

I thought you quit the hard stuff long ago ...



yeah i wish i could quit. And yes I am. indeed.


Please, please stop with the weed references. I've not touched any for 18 months now and that's after doing an ounce a week. My mouth is now watering. Sad


lol weed, I haven't smoked weed in years. I take heroin. It's a bit of a problem actually.

     
  22-Nov-12, 13:04   #13
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rbdflyboy 

Joined: Apr '11
Location: Canada
Age: 60 (M)
Posts: 1222
lol weed, I haven't smoked weed in years. I take heroin. It's a bit of a problem actually. [/QUOTE]


lmao....just abit too coherent for that to be believable. Big Smile

....on topic....always disappointing when a trap goes bad. Giving the free card on the turn wasn't a good idea...would think you'd want to get value for your hand and have him think about the call.

Edited by rbdflyboy (Thursday, November 22, 2012 @ 13:13 GMT)


     
  22-Nov-12, 13:21   #14
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
Posted by rbdflyboy:

lmao....just abit too coherent for that to be believable. Big Smile


Actually I am being serious.

     
  22-Nov-12, 13:27   #15
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djpremier 
Joined: Dec '10
Location: Finland
Age: 24 (M)
Posts: 419
well thanks on your opinion jess Big Smile Big Smile

gotta remember your tips next time I run into monsters ...

     
  22-Nov-12, 13:30   #16
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rbdflyboy 

Joined: Apr '11
Location: Canada
Age: 60 (M)
Posts: 1222
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by rbdflyboy:

lmao....just abit too coherent for that to be believable. Big Smile


Actually I am being serious.


Ah...so we're taking the first step in healing...GL with that.

     
  22-Nov-12, 13:58   #17
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
Posted by djpremier:
well thanks on your opinion jess Big Smile Big Smile

gotta remember your tips next time I run into monsters ...


lol you're welcome. Let me know if you need advice on any other key aspects of poker.

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Posted by rbdflyboy:
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by rbdflyboy:

lmao....just abit too coherent for that to be believable. Big Smile


Actually I am being serious.


Ah...so we're taking the first step in healing...GL with that.



Yes thank you, it is a never ending battle. Although, while loosely referring to myself as a junky - I should say that while I do use quite abit and do suffer withdrawals on the days I don't use. I AM a functional addict - I've held down the same job for over 3 years, I'm also nearly at the end of a University degree (3 years) and my grades have been quite good. I've been in a long-term relationship for about 4 years now, engaged in fact.

So yes, I do have a problem, but I don't steal for my habbit, I don't lie or cheat. I work to support myself and I'm able to hold my life together around my habbit. In fact - most people would be surprised at just how many functional heroin addicts there are - since the ones every one thinks about are of course the ones who've lost their s**t and are out on the street pan-handling, stealing, mugging, prostituting, etc.

Anyway, that's probably enough derail on that topic haha

     
  22-Nov-12, 18:12   #18
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rbdflyboy 

Joined: Apr '11
Location: Canada
Age: 60 (M)
Posts: 1222
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by djpremier:
well thanks on your opinion jess Big Smile Big Smile

gotta remember your tips next time I run into monsters ...


lol you're welcome. Let me know if you need advice on any other key aspects of poker.

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Posted by rbdflyboy:
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by rbdflyboy:

lmao....just abit too coherent for that to be believable. Big Smile


Actually I am being serious.


Ah...so we're taking the first step in healing...GL with that.



Yes thank you, it is a never ending battle. Although, while loosely referring to myself as a junky - I should say that while I do use quite abit and do suffer withdrawals on the days I don't use. I AM a functional addict - I've held down the same job for over 3 years, I'm also nearly at the end of a University degree (3 years) and my grades have been quite good. I've been in a long-term relationship for about 4 years now, engaged in fact.

So yes, I do have a problem, but I don't steal for my habbit, I don't lie or cheat. I work to support myself and I'm able to hold my life together around my habbit. In fact - most people would be surprised at just how many functional heroin addicts there are - since the ones every one thinks about are of course the ones who've lost their s**t and are out on the street pan-handling, stealing, mugging, prostituting, etc.

Anyway, that's probably enough derail on that topic haha



your a rare breed Jess, all those that have gone that route in my lifetime are gone now. The latest being one of my brothers. They found him in a homeless shelter and the Coronor couldn't figure out which drug in the cocktail did him in. Knowing him the way I do figured he got some bad news and didn't want to wait it out. So I'm sincere when I say GL.

     
  22-Nov-12, 18:35   #19
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Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4764
Come on, this is no case study, you are showing an exception, how many times do you see a royal flush at the table, no matter if it’s yours or of one of your opponents? The point in this case is: you should always be afraid of doubled tables. You didn’t had a 6, have you considered that he could have 66 on the hand? He would be doing a four of kind that would blow your full house. And, if you aren’t satisfied with that, look at the river: a Q. And, again, if he had QQ on the hand, he would beat you in the same. There were lots of hands higher than yours, you got stuck on the flop clubs and you weren’t able to realize all the other possibilities at the table. Also, rush poker don’t give you that much time to realize all that, so question yourself if you are already prepared to play it.

     
  23-Nov-12, 19:41   #20
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djpremier 
Joined: Dec '10
Location: Finland
Age: 24 (M)
Posts: 419
Thanks everybody...
And Fakiry, You're right about 66 and QQ but I did not think that I have the best possible hand, I'm not that stupid even though im not a big winning player .. Still I believe it was really a strong hand in that situation...
How would you have played the hand ? Question

And your point on Rush Poker, i'm not really sure wether I should keep on playing it or not...
It's been mostly break-even for me...

     
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