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  22-Nov-12, 02:21   #1
is this possible only on PokerStars? sick bad beat 0 
GoTrixo 

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Location: Germany
Age: 27 (M)
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Well i dont know what to say really, it sometimes feels like its impossible to avoid donk, even in cash game but this happens to me so often, i mean did i played the hand bad? i know its questionable to call that raise preflop on SB but i had nuts after the flop and nuts to STRAIGHT FLUSH draw.. But ofcourse magic river Sad( i guess im not chosen to be good in poker at all or i dont know this was huge hit into my bankroll as i already risc alot by playing this stakes but i wonder how big favor i was flop/turn before that magic river.... never lucky when i need it seriously, well not really need it it was just ugly bad beat as usual.. getting used to them right Sad(

PokerStars Hand #89615543603: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25 USD) - 2012/11/22 3:13:41 CET [2012/11/21 21:13:41 ET]
Table 'Nysa VII' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Quadness ($20.77 in chips)
Seat 2: the black81 ($19.56 in chips)
Seat 3: PKC77 ($6.24 in chips)
Seat 5: keremo3461 ($24.48 in chips)
Seat 7: gorllomi ($16.95 in chips)
Seat 8: TaiJiang ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 9: Polkan634 ($25 in chips)
Quadness: posts small blind $0.10
the black81: posts big blind $0.25
Ei71nD: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Quadness [Ad 3d]
PKC77: calls $0.25
keremo3461: raises $0.25 to $0.50
gorllomi: folds
TaiJiang: folds
Polkan634: calls $0.50
Quadness: calls $0.40
the black81: calls $0.25
PKC77: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [4d 5h 2d]
Quadness: checks
the black81: bets $0.75
PKC77: folds
keremo3461: calls $0.75
Polkan634: raises $3.25 to $4
Quadness: calls $4
the black81: folds
keremo3461: folds
*** TURN *** [4d 5h 2d] 4 of hearts
Quadness: bets $16.27 and is all-in
Polkan634: calls $16.27
*** RIVER *** [4d 5h 2d 4h] 3 of clubs
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Quadness: shows [Ad 3d] (a straight, Ace to Five)
Polkan634: shows [5d 6s] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
Polkan634 collected $42.54 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $44.54 | Rake $2
Board [4d 5h 2d 4h 3c]
Seat 1: Quadness (small blind) showed [Ad 3d] and lost with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 2: the black81 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: PKC77 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: keremo3461 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: gorllomi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: TaiJiang folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Polkan634 (button) showed [5d 6s] and won ($42.54) with a straight, Deuce to Six

     
  22-Nov-12, 03:01   #2
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fcumred 

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Not really a bad beat. He had so many outs it made it basically a coin flip.

4 x 3s
2 x 4s
3 x 5s

9 outs to hit the boat or a higher straight.

You got it in good but he had outs to make the call and he got lucky.

     
  22-Nov-12, 03:06   #3
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GoTrixo 

Joined: Dec '11
Location: Germany
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 163
Posted by fcumred:
Not really a bad beat. He had so many outs it made it basically a coin flip.

4 x 3s
2 x 4s
3 x 5s

9 outs to hit the boat or a higher straight.

You got it in good but he had outs to make the call and he got lucky.


so 9 outs before river is worth calling 16$ ? and what about my outs to actually hit either Ace high nuts flash or even more sexy straight flush..

     
  22-Nov-12, 03:08   #4
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retribution 

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Location: Canada
Age: 37 (M)
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Pretty standard hand. Don't beat yourself up about calling in the SB, it's perfectly fine given how many players entered behind you're getting great odds. It's an awkward spot pre-flop, because it's a good drawing hand, but you can't really raise to isolate because it's not that strong.

I'd only say the only thing I'd do differently, would be to 3-bet OTF, but you still got it in ahead and got sucked out on. S**t happens, but you were still a solid favorite.

     
  22-Nov-12, 03:10   #5
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GoTrixo 

Joined: Dec '11
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Posted by retribution:
Pretty standard hand. Don't beat yourself up about calling in the SB, it's perfectly fine given how many players entered behind you're getting great odds. It's an awkward spot pre-flop, because it's a good drawing hand, but you can't really raise to isolate because it's not that strong.

I'd only say the only thing I'd do differently, would be to 3-bet OTF, but you still got it in ahead and got sucked out on. S**t happens, but you were still a solid favorite.


i rarely call hands like that in SB, but this was good opportunity and felt like going with this one

     
  22-Nov-12, 03:58   #6
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fcumred 

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Posted by GoTrixo:
Posted by fcumred:
Not really a bad beat. He had so many outs it made it basically a coin flip.

4 x 3s
2 x 4s
3 x 5s

9 outs to hit the boat or a higher straight.

You got it in good but he had outs to make the call and he got lucky.


so 9 outs before river is worth calling 16$ ? and what about my outs to actually hit either Ace high nuts flash or even more sexy straight flush..


When the money went in he had outs hence his call. You had the nuts. He then hit the nuts and you had the outs.

It was a coinflip, as I said before. You came off second best...

     
  22-Nov-12, 06:54   #7
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thefly131 
Joined: Jun '10
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Well have to agree with fcumredm, this is not a bad beat.

You got beaten by a hand on the river, this happens.. Confused

I think I would have raised postflop, as you gave away a free turn to the others.

The stats will telll you that you win this hand about 75 to 80 %, so nothing wrong with your play... just unlucky with the river.

     
  22-Nov-12, 08:27   #8
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jessthehuman 

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Not exactly a 'bad beat' or a 'magic river'. Pretty standard stuff, just a bit unlucky. Personally I would have continued to raise the flop, but mostly preflop and all the other streets, you played it more or less fine.. Just a bit unlucky on the river obviously, but it happens and it's hardly worth making a thread over.

Not trying to be rude - but if a hand like this, where villain actually has quite a lot of outs, bothers you - then maybe you need to take a break for a while or work on your mental game or something. Because this is hardly a bad beat.. Bad beats are more like 1 outters, or runner runner hands.

     
  22-Nov-12, 11:20   #9
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Doarulle 
Joined: Sep '12
Location: Romania
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Posted by GoTrixo:
Posted by fcumred:
Not really a bad beat. He had so many outs it made it basically a coin flip.

4 x 3s
2 x 4s
3 x 5s

9 outs to hit the boat or a higher straight.

You got it in good but he had outs to make the call and he got lucky.


so 9 outs before river is worth calling 16$ ? and what about my outs to actually hit either Ace high nuts flash or even more sexy straight flush..

That sexy straight flush don't come for you buddy... that is pokerstars ... win then lose ... all you have to do is generate RAKE Big Smile btw... ugly hand... have you was on tilt after that hand ? or continue playing ? now i saw... only $2 rake ? 5 hands and PS receive $10 just from your table... i think they made millions / second =))

     
  22-Nov-12, 11:25   #10
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ChinZanoMe 
Joined: Nov '11
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Pokerstars is Jokerstars of course, but if u playing there u should accept the rules. Or go to play live... Cool

     
  22-Nov-12, 14:25   #11
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jovicakralj 

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Posted by fcumred:
Not really a bad beat. He had so many outs it made it basically a coin flip.

4 x 3s
2 x 4s
3 x 5s

9 outs to hit the boat or a higher straight.

You got it in good but he had outs to make the call and he got lucky.

Actually he had 7 outs (Hero have A3 so 3x3s and 5d is already in villan hand). That makes him around 15% chance of improving hand on river.

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Posted by fcumred:

When the money went in he had outs hence his call. You had the nuts. He then hit the nuts and you had the outs.

It was a coinflip, as I said before. You came off second best...

I agree that this is not awfull bad beat as it could be but 14%- 86% is 7 to 1 and that is not even close to coinflip. You cant say that something is coinflip just because other guy is not drawing dead. 55%-45% and closer is coinflip. AK vs 87 preflop is not coinflip. And that is way closer then this hand.

Edited by jovicakralj (Thursday, November 22, 2012 @ 14:41 GMT)


     
  22-Nov-12, 14:56   #12
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victoryv111 

Joined: Feb '12
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boom player as well as info here all good close ul i wont go into details enuff is on here. Diamond

     
  22-Nov-12, 16:31   #13
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GoTrixo 

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Posted by jovicakralj:
Posted by fcumred:
Not really a bad beat. He had so many outs it made it basically a coin flip.

4 x 3s
2 x 4s
3 x 5s

9 outs to hit the boat or a higher straight.

You got it in good but he had outs to make the call and he got lucky.

Actually he had 7 outs (Hero have A3 so 3x3s and 5d is already in villan hand). That makes him around 15% chance of improving hand on river.

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Posted by fcumred:

When the money went in he had outs hence his call. You had the nuts. He then hit the nuts and you had the outs.

It was a coinflip, as I said before. You came off second best...

I agree that this is not awfull bad beat as it could be but 14%- 86% is 7 to 1 and that is not even close to coinflip. You cant say that something is coinflip just because other guy is not drawing dead. 55%-45% and closer is coinflip. AK vs 87 preflop is not coinflip. And that is way closer then this hand.


Finally some normal reply, it felt like the others guys in here would call in same spot, well i wouldn't with 65offsuit , i agree that i should have raised on the flop probably but i wanted to set a trap and get more of it on the turn, where i shove i didnt expected the call at all, and if he did i knew i will be beating so many hands there + i have high chance to even improve.. Well ofcourse the opposite happens. time to play these donk fests micro stakes again..

     
  22-Nov-12, 18:40   #14
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Fakiry 

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There were already three players going to dispute that pot when you got your time to talk pre-flop, and at that point there was only one mini raise by the second entering, called by the third… Yes, your decision of calling, even if it was just for going to see the flop, it was really strange, even more with A3 in the hand, although suited. After starting to see the table cards, you were in no position to fold. So you should have folded pre-flop, but once you went to play this hand, I consider you did right in going all-in post flop, with the straight and the flush draw and the straight flush draw. But your opponents call to your all-in is even sicker than your call to the pre-flop. And you weren’t nuts after the flop, a 36 hand would be nuts on the flop, although you weren’t putting your opponent on that hand, but I believe you got really surprised when he showed 56… Some guys (e.g. your opponents) just don’t know what to do with $20…

     
  22-Nov-12, 19:02   #15
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GoTrixo 

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Age: 27 (M)
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Posted by Fakiry:
There were already three players going to dispute that pot when you got your time to talk pre-flop, and at that point there was only one mini raise by the second entering, called by the third� Yes, your decision of calling, even if it was just for going to see the flop, it was really strange, even more with A3 in the hand, although suited. After starting to see the table cards, you were in no position to fold. So you should have folded pre-flop, but once you went to play this hand, I consider you did right in going all-in post flop, with the straight and the flush draw and the straight flush draw. But your opponents call to your all-in is even sicker than your call to the pre-flop. And you weren�t nuts after the flop, a 36 hand would be nuts on the flop, although you weren�t putting your opponent on that hand, but I believe you got really surprised when he showed 56� Some guys (e.g. your opponents) just don�t know what to do with $20�


ye i was surprised to see he called with 65, guess he didnt believe me that i got the "nuts" that was all planned and it was the purpose of overbet on the turn.. and i wanted him to call, but i obviously didnt wanted to see the worst possible card for me on the river :x Maybe the cards will be now on my side too, im nowhere near decent skill wise in poker, i consider myself as an average player that has some knowledge but still alot to learn.

     
  22-Nov-12, 19:19   #16
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Mober 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
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Posts: 10045
Yep it can happen. AN d its not only in Poke Stars, but in any Poker Site.
If you play long enough, there is no doubt you will come up in a situation like this again.
The only thing you can do is try to play ot different and hoping in a better outcome.

     
  22-Nov-12, 19:57   #17
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retribution 

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Posted by fcumred:
Posted by GoTrixo:
Posted by fcumred:
Not really a bad beat. He had so many outs it made it basically a coin flip.

4 x 3s
2 x 4s
3 x 5s

9 outs to hit the boat or a higher straight.

You got it in good but he had outs to make the call and he got lucky.


so 9 outs before river is worth calling 16$ ? and what about my outs to actually hit either Ace high nuts flash or even more sexy straight flush..


When the money went in he had outs hence his call. You had the nuts. He then hit the nuts and you had the outs.

It was a coinflip, as I said before. You came off second best...


How was this even close to a flip? OTF Villain had nothing but top pair weak kicker and a gutshot draw, against a made straight and a flush draw. Odds were HUGELY stacked in Op's favor. In fact I just ran a hand calculator, and OP was 86% to win. Hardly a coin flip IMO.

Also to OP, I'd say folding a hand like A3 suited in the SB with that many people in behind is a leak. The only way I'd consider folding that particular spot, is if I knew BB raised a lot of the time, and big raises. And in that spot, I'd almost consider re-raising him if everyone else folded before it got back to me because some people try and steal in spots like that pretty light for some reason. I guess the logic is that they can bully the limpers more than they should be.

As I said, you've got a strong draw hand which shines in family pots like this, where you're getting good pot odds. You just have to develop the discipline to lay down your hand if you connect with your ace, but it's a scary board, because Top pair weak kicker hands can be big trouble. But with that many people in, you're getting more than adequate odds to play fit-or fold on the flop.

     
  22-Nov-12, 22:40   #18
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damosk 
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Having read through the posts, I am not so in agreement with much of what has been said, other than with the outs you had a reasonsable call...and its not a bad beat. Mt basis for this is that you have gone in focused on the flush draw and lost sight of the fact that yopu may have been beaten by the overcard. Did you even stop to consider that you did not want to lose the bankroll that you did? This may have been a consideration as you checked post flop, and then he rasied after so he appeared to ahve something! Easy in hindsight, but you clearly (in my opinion) had the wweaker hand and therefore were focussed away from what was really happening...easily done!

     
  22-Nov-12, 22:41   #19
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Weenie 
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I got much worse bad beats at 888 poker and on full tilt too Smile It doesnt depends on poker site believe me.. And like people mentioned, it isnt that improbable with 9 outs

     
  22-Nov-12, 22:54   #20
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GoTrixo 

Joined: Dec '11
Location: Germany
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 163
Posted by damosk:
Having read through the posts, I am not so in agreement with much of what has been said, other than with the outs you had a reasonsable call...and its not a bad beat. Mt basis for this is that you have gone in focused on the flush draw and lost sight of the fact that yopu may have been beaten by the overcard. Did you even stop to consider that you did not want to lose the bankroll that you did? This may have been a consideration as you checked post flop, and then he rasied after so he appeared to ahve something! Easy in hindsight, but you clearly (in my opinion) had the wweaker hand and therefore were focussed away from what was really happening...easily done!


have u seen the guy who beat me cards? i highly doubt it.. ROFL Big Smile

     
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