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a bit sad and mad right now.. maybe a little bit more luck tonight on 100K depositors or Online poker show freeroll (but this one with so huge field, so unless having a s***load of luck i think its impossible )
anyway, these FPP tourneys seems like im not chosen to have any luck in these here is a great example of me running bad, and oponnents running quite damn good
so it all started in this hand, one of those where you think that you are most of the times ahead.. well i was not
PokerStars Hand #90349877933: Tournament #650900288, 10FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2012/12/06 18:43:15 CET [2012/12/06 12:43:15 ET] Table '650900288 202' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: klirovski (1480 in chips) Seat 2: Masloman (2180 in chips) Seat 3: vscali (1460 in chips) Seat 4: PPP_AC (1480 in chips) Seat 5: Mastardock (1500 in chips) Seat 6: Kolbasov777 (1460 in chips) Seat 7: kloun67 (960 in chips) Seat 8: pti4ka107 (1480 in chips) Seat 9: Quadness (1500 in chips) PPP_AC: posts small blind 10 Mastardock: posts big blind 20 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Quadness [Qs Kc] Kolbasov777: folds kloun67: raises 20 to 40 pti4ka107: folds Quadness: calls 40 klirovski: folds Masloman: calls 40 vscali: folds PPP_AC: calls 30 Mastardock: calls 20 *** FLOP *** [5h Tc 2h] PPP_AC: checks Mastardock: checks kloun67: checks Quadness: checks Masloman: checks *** TURN *** [5h Tc 2h] PPP_AC: checks Mastardock: bets 120 kloun67: folds Quadness: calls 120 Masloman: folds PPP_AC: folds *** RIVER *** [5h Tc 2h Qd] Mastardock: checks Quadness: bets 160 Mastardock: calls 160 *** SHOW DOWN *** Quadness: shows [Qs Kc] (two pair, Queens and Fives) Mastardock: shows [Qh Td] (two pair, Queens and Tens) Mastardock collected 760 from pot
now there is the second hand that crippled my stack even more.. decided to minraise in MP. given the fact how many donks are gonna call most of the time with mediocre hands and weak Aces, but when this flop comes u hardly believe your oponnent to hold an Ace in his hand, so i was pretty comfortable untill i have seen his hand
PokerStars Hand #90350360033: Tournament #650900288, 10FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2012/12/06 18:52:37 CET [2012/12/06 12:52:37 ET] Table '650900288 202' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: klirovski (780 in chips) Seat 2: Masloman (2385 in chips) Seat 3: vscali (655 in chips) Seat 4: PPP_AC (965 in chips) Seat 5: Mastardock (3630 in chips) Seat 6: Kolbasov777 (2535 in chips) Seat 7: kloun67 (1885 in chips) Seat 8: tina0301 (1000 in chips) Seat 9: Quadness (1165 in chips) PPP_AC: posts small blind 25 Mastardock: posts big blind 50 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Quadness [Qd Ks] Kolbasov777: folds kloun67: folds tina0301: calls 50 Quadness: raises 50 to 100 klirovski: folds Masloman: folds vscali: folds PPP_AC: folds Mastardock: calls 50 tina0301: calls 50 *** FLOP *** [Kd Ah Ad] Mastardock: checks tina0301: checks Quadness: checks *** TURN *** [Kd Ah Ad] Mastardock: checks tina0301: bets 200 Quadness: calls 200 Mastardock: folds *** RIVER *** [Kd Ah Ad 9c] tina0301: bets 350 Quadness: calls 350 *** SHOW DOWN *** tina0301: shows [Ac 3h] (three of a kind, Aces) Quadness: mucks hand tina0301 collected 1425 from pot
now there is the third one after which i was eliminated from the tourney.. take a note that these hands happened in like 10 hands overall...
PokerStars Hand #90350422078: Tournament #650900288, 10FPP Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2012/12/06 18:53:50 CET [2012/12/06 12:53:50 ET] Table '650900288 202' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: klirovski (780 in chips) Seat 2: Masloman (2385 in chips) Seat 3: vscali (655 in chips) Seat 4: PPP_AC (940 in chips) Seat 5: Mastardock (3530 in chips) Seat 6: Kolbasov777 (2535 in chips) Seat 7: kloun67 (1885 in chips) Seat 8: tina0301 (1775 in chips) Seat 9: Quadness (515 in chips) Mastardock: posts small blind 25 Kolbasov777: posts big blind 50 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Quadness [3s 3d] kloun67: calls 50 tina0301: folds Quadness: raises 100 to 150 klirovski: folds Masloman: folds vscali: calls 150 PPP_AC: folds Mastardock: folds Kolbasov777: calls 100 kloun67: calls 100 *** FLOP *** [Th Tc 8d] Kolbasov777: bets 50 kloun67: calls 50 Quadness: raises 315 to 365 and is all-in vscali: raises 140 to 505 and is all-in Kolbasov777: folds kloun67: folds Uncalled bet (140) returned to vscali *** TURN *** [Th Tc 8d] *** RIVER *** [Th Tc 8d 4h] *** SHOW DOWN *** Quadness: shows [3s 3d] (two pair, Tens and Fours) vscali: shows [9s Ts] (a full house, Tens full of Fours) vscali collected 1455 from pot
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You play worse than me... even i know don't bet on that board... btw anyone can play how he know... i don't critic you... but you can do it better i like you play with FPP and not with $
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Posted by Doarulle: You play worse than me... even i know don't bet on that board... btw anyone can play how he know... i don't critic you... but you can do it better i like you play with FPP and not with $
lol, on which board? i dont think i have played it bad, and most of the times on a board like T T x, or A A K, is quite low the chance that the oponnent will hold actually that Ace.And my play on these boards in online poker depends on the reads on players and their action/s on preflop/flop/turn/river Also i do accept criticism, but you just wrote that i play worse then you without explaining anything. And that are just 3 hands, in order for you to be able to judge my play you would need perhaps atleast 1000 hands. But i sure will gladly listen to your advice if you explain me in details what i have done wrong in these hands.
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I'm not even going to say anything other then why would you even play this? I'm no top notch poker player, but I do know when I need to fold and this is the case here, but to each their own. Good Luck!
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Posted by Greenmohave: I'm not even going to say anything other then why would you even play this? I'm no top notch poker player, but I do know when I need to fold and this is the case here, but to each their own. Good Luck!
yes i know right KQ offsuit not so great hand and its better to just fold, but i do have a solid read on other players most of the time. and after that first hand there was not much option really while being shortstack already.
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KQ isn't that bad of a hand. But we shouldn't play a big pot with it, unless we have hit a monster. It is to easy to be beaten by AK or AQ with this one, when we have only top pair.
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First hand was pretty standard, I cant see any wrong move made by you, maybe you could raise it preflop... Second hand was tough one.. I think you should definitively bet on flop and see what happen.. third hand I dont know how shortstack you were, but probably very low you should go allin preflop or fold.. There is no reason to leave 100-200 chips in your stack for flop, cause you cant bluff with it (its too low and you will always get call, even if other players didnt hit that flop...)
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Posted by Weenie: First hand was pretty standard, I cant see any wrong move made by you, maybe you could raise it preflop... Second hand was tough one.. I think you should definitively bet on flop and see what happen.. third hand I dont know how shortstack you were, but probably very low you should go allin preflop or fold.. There is no reason to leave 100-200 chips in your stack for flop, cause you cant bluff with it (its too low and you will always get call, even if other players didnt hit that flop...)
well it was like that. i would put the rest of my chips on every flop that comes, i just wanted more ppl to call preflop.. i know it sounds weird, it was actually first time i did something like that lol
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Don’t feel afraid of monster fields, it’s all a matter of perspective. Wait for the better hands to make a move, don’t play a pot with any two high cards, stick to good games. Most probably is to get nice pots when you go if you play tight aggressive. There’s always someone with more chips than you thinking they can eliminate you and, if you have a really strong hand (like high pairs) you’ll most probably be doubling your stack with these hands. Then, keep control. Don’t spend chips.
I think , you did your best at this hands even without reading those players, mabe the first one wanted to raise pre-flop.Any way, this hands look very un-lucky, bet i bet, you one some otherres like you lost those, so it was only bad luck here. I wish you better luck next time.
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Better wait for better hands that KQ in the beginning of torneys...
And if you wanne play them in late position, raise preflop at least 3 BB to avoid multiple opponents. If you get called in the first stages --> you get called by anything In later stages you have to watch out for monster hands if you get called.
Or get a cheap call on SM or a free check on BB.
Last hand--> your shortstack so all-in or fold is the right move
Well I have got only one thing to say.. STICK TO FREEROLLS.
If you think any of those hands is a bad beat you are living in dreamworld. You played every one like an utter donk and I am in fact surprised you even have the nerve to come on here making out like you've been hard done by.
I'll even go so far as to say this, I know your username now. Please deposit more and get on the cash games. I'll find you.. Either that or just save the hassle and transfer me all your funds and save yourself embarassing yourself.
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LOL fcumred,nothing like a bit of advice for the forum players eh. there's nothing wrong with what you are saying it's just that i thought you were more of a helpful guy than one who rips into people
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Posted by GoTrixo:
Posted by Greenmohave: I'm not even going to say anything other then why would you even play this? I'm no top notch poker player, but I do know when I need to fold and this is the case here, but to each their own. Good Luck!
yes i know right KQ offsuit not so great hand and its better to just fold, but i do have a solid read on other players most of the time. and after that first hand there was not much option really while being shortstack already.
Sorry to act as if I've never done the same thing because I have. It's always easy to criticize others for the same stupid mistakes that one has made themselves. The important thing is that we learn from these mistakes and try to prevent reoccurrence, but it will happen again and again and again. Just not as often as it did when I started playing. Good Luck!
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Posted by fcumred: Well I have got only one thing to say.. STICK TO FREEROLLS.
If you think any of those hands is a bad beat you are living in dreamworld. You played every one like an utter donk and I am in fact surprised you even have the nerve to come on here making out like you've been hard done by.
I'll even go so far as to say this, I know your username now. Please deposit more and get on the cash games. I'll find you.. Either that or just save the hassle and transfer me all your funds and save yourself embarassing yourself.
Seriously mate, YOU SUCK...
LOL, now i had a good laugh reading your comment, and its cool that you judge me by these 3 hands.
Posted by fcumred: Well I have got only one thing to say.. STICK TO FREEROLLS.
If you think any of those hands is a bad beat you are living in dreamworld. You played every one like an utter donk and I am in fact surprised you even have the nerve to come on here making out like you've been hard done by.
I'll even go so far as to say this, I know your username now. Please deposit more and get on the cash games. I'll find you.. Either that or just save the hassle and transfer me all your funds and save yourself embarassing yourself.
Seriously mate, YOU SUCK...
LOL, now i had a good laugh reading your comment, and its cool that you judge me by these 3 hands.
Given the comments you make to justify your play, its clear you don' have a clue.
Where would you like me to start
1) Its the first 10 hands of a Freeroll, and somehow you claim to have solid reads on players. What the hell can you learn from a freeroll in 10 hands. You can't even find out whos a donk in that shortspace of time, let alone gain a solid read on them. ( and lets face it, in two of the three hands you showed, your reads were about as far away from the reality of the situation as you could get )
2) You min raise out of position with KQ.. OH DEAR.. Where would you like me to start on this one.. I will come back to this a bit later on.
3) You then go on to say that players will call with weak aces. When 2 aces hit the flop you actually then go on a one man wrecking mission KNOWING they could have the ace. How do you know.. because you actually admit its what they will call you with. If there was any chance of him having an ace you should have checked it down to the river and folded to any bet. Not gone shoving in more chips. I just don't understand how you can suggest that someone will call you with an ace, then when two hit the flop you somehow don't believe what you initially thought was correct.
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yes i know right KQ offsuit not so great hand and its better to just fold, but i do have a solid read on other players most of the time. and after that first hand there was not much option really while being shortstack already
20 BBs in the first 10 minutes of an MTT and you consider this shortstacked. Honestly, thats got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You only started with 1500 bloody chips. You lost 20% of them, and somehow you consider this shortstacked. You only need to win one hand and you are back to your 1500 starting stack, one double up and you've got more than your starting stack....
Even if you were shortstacked ( which you were not ) then what hte hell are you doing min raising with crap like K Q offsuit out of position, wasting your precious chips. I mean come on.. even the dumbest freeroll donk knows that in the early stages of an MTT you are supposed to play tight and preserve your chips, not go min raising out of position with crap... If you are going to raise make it a proper raise. 3-4 x BB. That will potentially win you blinds. You actually invited players into the pot by giving them the right odds to call with 7 2 offsuit let alone weak aces.
Sorry, but your post makes you look very very stupid, and thats being polite. You call other people donks for playing what you call "mediocre" hands, when you are showing how you busted out of an MTT in less than 10 minutes with KQ twice, and 3 3.. Mediocre hands that will lose more times than you can ever hope to win with. You did EXACTLY what you called other people donks for. You played crap hands.. and whats worse you even managed to play mediocre hands badly..
And as for saying "I ran bad and my opponents ran good".. No, you played like an idiot, and they capitalised on it.. Thats the harsh reality
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For me, first hand still ok, I will play the same. But second and third is worst. If you want to play third hand, you should shove preflop, you had small stake, just 10 BB. Better you read poker book first before continue to play. Anyway Good luck
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@ fcumred
Thanks for the detailed reply now i do understand why you think im a donk, and i gotta agree it was probably very bad play by me, the thing about these freerolls and me thinking that i have solid read on other players is because many ppl in here play any two so even if i raise normally (3 or 4 BBs ppl will still call with these hands many times, because in these freerolls is no such a thing as respecting a raise from early position)Now i have completely different mind on these hands as ive had in this time (it was also affected, that i was not playing so good at all recently, probably was doing way more misstakes, then i even realised.) But now i have a clear mind, So ive started using software called Pocker Tracker 4 i believe its helped me to be more orientated on the table, especially if playing more tables at once. So early in the tourney im supposed to play in EP only monsters? and on LP the range gets wider, but still folding hands such as KQ, KJ if im not the one to open raise? and if they are suited i believe i should play them, or still open raise them in EP, or MP? or what do you think
Thanks for the detailed reply now i do understand why you think im a donk, and i gotta agree it was probably very bad play by me, the thing about these freerolls and me thinking that i have solid read on other players is because many ppl in here play any two so even if i raise normally (3 or 4 BBs ppl will still call with these hands many times, because in these freerolls is no such a thing as respecting a raise from early position)Now i have completely different mind on these hands as ive had in this time (it was also affected, that i was not playing so good at all recently, probably was doing way more misstakes, then i even realised.) But now i have a clear mind, So ive started using software called Pocker Tracker 4 i believe its helped me to be more orientated on the table, especially if playing more tables at once. So early in the tourney im supposed to play in EP only monsters? and on LP the range gets wider, but still folding hands such as KQ, KJ if im not the one to open raise? and if they are suited i believe i should play them, or still open raise them in EP, or MP? or what do you think
You beat players playing any two with nuts not with bluffs. Cause like you said it they ll call with any two.
This is terrible play not running bad. I would advise you play only one table at a time until you fix your main leaks and so far you have plenty. That last hand with 33 you had 500 chips and you raise 150 preflop. Thats terrible. At least go all-in but i would say its a fold you cant beat any call with that s**t. 2nd hand you just call - 1st mistake - then you missed a flop in a multiway pot and you bet a pair on turn - 2nd mistake - you have 0 info there, only top pair - no draws - just check fold son. Cheers and gl.
Edited by xdomagojx (08 December 2012 @ 14:21 GMT)
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