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So i just started to play some Sit and go with lows buyto 0.2-0.10$ After 10-20 of them i managed only 3 times to get to top 10. The main thing i cannot understand is how eveyone goes always ALL IN before the flop. I mean poker is a strategy-luck game, but on those tables the only things that prevale in early stages of the game is LUCK. What do you guys would suggest me to go over that ' ALL in Stage' and make it to the 'middle game'?? thanks !
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At very low limits one has to expect very loose play. Simply stay out of the hands untill most of the all-in players are out. Only get involved with premium hands. When the push fest is over, start playing poker.
Posted by matthax89: ye but i start with 10$ bankroll i cant waste all on higher buy in =P
With 10$ you can play 0.25$ sngs like Alex mentioned. Play 90man ones, you can do it with 6$ as well. Focus just on them until you build up 30-50$ from them then try to move up. When you drop move back to them. They are much better cause they are not turbo format. In turbos variance is larger and you need to shove more often. I went up to 59$ just from playing 0.25$ 90mans in 6 days from 15$. You just need patience and solid play but patience is rly rly important. One of them can take up to 2.5 hours to complete so try to play more than one table at a time. Patience and play only premium hands cause you ll get payed off easy on that limit. 0.02s are hyper turbo i think so even worse just avoid that. Cheers.
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As stated the primary problem is the low level buy-in. I started out on SnG's when I began only 2.5 years ago and by reading the comments in this forum began to win several of the SnG's with buyins at $1.10 to $5.50 (18 to 45 players).
The way I play them is by rarely playing a hand other then my blinds until the blinds start to go up, at least BB at 50 and preferably a 100.
I only play the very best of hands although when I get small pairs and see the flop cheap I play them in attempt to get a set and by observing how others are playing. They may walk!
I don't go Allin unless I have the nuts or really know a player is bluffing. Your still going to lose, but you should be in the pay by doing what the Mobsters taught me. There's an excellent post by Island Jack on playing micro SnG's. You would have to scroll back through the threads to find it, but it's worth the time. It goes back past 6 months back so don't expect to find it fast! Good Luck!
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Posted by matthax89: So i just started to play some Sit and go with lows buyto 0.2-0.10$ After 10-20 of them i managed only 3 times to get to top 10. The main thing i cannot understand is how eveyone goes always ALL IN before the flop. I mean poker is a strategy-luck game, but on those tables the only things that prevale in early stages of the game is LUCK. What do you guys would suggest me to go over that ' ALL in Stage' and make it to the 'middle game'?? thanks !
G'day mate the 0.02 hyper turbo is not poker it is BINGO mate. people dont caare at all about playing good poker it is a shove fest. All you can do is be patient and wait for a premium starting preflop hand and hope for the best, the problem is that usually by the time you get that hand the players still in it are the idiots shove monkeys who now have you largely stack dominated. i play one of them BINGO 0.02 900 man hypers and was under the gun first to act and caught pocket aces so I raised 4 times the blind and everyone called my raise all away around to the big blind who shoved all in. I called with my aces and thought some most of the others would fold, wrong everyone called his shove all of us where all-in in the first hand the entire table. My aces were of course cracked hard. You really should think about moving up immediately to the 0.25 45 man tournament with a 7 player payout.
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STT's are super easy. They are basically 4 stages:
Early: Player tight. Super tight. Let the other plays donk it out, and bust each other. Wait for solid hands and play them for value. If you CAN get into small multi-way pots, do so with hands that are connected/suited but ONLY play these kind of hands IN position and IF the pot is smaller.
Mid: This is where blinds start to become relevant, and you'll see at least 2-3 players gone. Start paying attention to who's passive and who's aggressive. Steal blinds against weaker/passive/tight players, and tighten up against the more aggressive players.
Late/bubble: This is where everyone starts to really feel blinds. Ususally youi'll have 4-5 players left, and everyones relative stack sizes are around 10BB. You're pretty much playing shove/fold from this point on, so get used to the idea that you are usually playing for your entire stack. Shove wider against tighter players, and tighter against looser players. Call tighter against tighter players shoves, and call slightly looser against looser shoving players.
If you're the big stack, everyone will be afraid of you so attack everyone. If you're one of the middle stacks, avoid the big stack and attack everyone else. If you're the shorty, try and pick a good spot to go for a double up, it doesn't matter who it's against since anyone can take you out.
Typically on the bubble, people tend to tighten up hoping to "at least cash" so you can ramp aggression up a bit and try and steal a little more. Typically 9 mans payout 50/30/20, so you want to be aiming for 1st, although without putting too much risk in busting before at least the money.
Post bubble: Once the bubble breaks, you'll find the remaining players loosen right back up. Adjusting is relatively easy. Call down a bit lighter, according to what you think players are shoving with. If you're short stack and they aren't actively attacking you, it can sometimes be a good move to just play a little tighter and let 1 of the other 2 bigger stacks take-out/cripple the other one while you wait for a decent hand.
2 Concepts you should learn if you plan on taking STT's serious are ICM and Nash shove/fold. I could go on and on about them, but instead I'll just say google them.
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some other mobsters pointed out that you should avoid turbos/ hyper turbos since they are not poker but pure lottery, players r going all in left and right with any two cards- if you want to play some poker & now "guess when to shove" then yeah go for $0.25 regular speed mtt's- with solid play $10 roll is more than enough imho
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Or play DoNs. There it is no problem if the opponents are willing to take on high risks in those tourneys. This will only lead to a sure finish in the money for you.
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dons on pokerstars r not real dons anymore, and i believe OP has a roll at stars, in this case he could only play 50/50's if i recall right (haven't played them in a while). of course it's his decision, but i think $10 roll is way to small to play $1 buyin sng's (dons/50/50's etc.), btw are there any sites where dons are at a lower buyin than $1?
DOns are a waste of time at the micro stakes. You actually lose money unless you win at least 2 out of every 3 games you play, and with $10 its hardly likely you are going to get enough games in to counter the swings you will no doubt face.
I would suggest playing the 45 man SNGs and play super tight and try get a couple of final tables. Thats about your best shot.
THe 2 and 10 cent games are a waste of time. seriously, don't even waste your energy
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Indead do not play hyperturbos , it s a preflop allin game.
The don-sng could be an option here (try to avoid turbo's), just play them very tight till you got ledd than 15 BB. Your objective should be ... to stay in the game, hope that the others take more risks and play eachother out.... only play monster hands (AA,KK,QQ,JJ,AK,AQ,AJ) with a 4 BB raise preflop, try to avoid allin with anything less than AA,KK. Only go allin if you have the nuts.
Normally you only have to make 1 big move on a don-sng
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I agree patience is the key for building a BR from 10 dollar...its not easy
I dont have the patience for it and find myself wanting to build a stack early in a tournament if i ever play very low buy in tournaments so i can understand other people just going all in on these to even stand a chance later on in the tourney.
Better save your money and try to play a littlebit higher buy in sng's or mtt's
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Usually there are players doing that because of being a micro game. Instead of going with them in that move, you should try to take advantage of that. A move like that will eliminate a considerable part of your opponents, but it will also turn a few into a lot stronger stack than the rest. I advise you to stick to really good hands, play tight. There’s no such thing as winning hands pre-flop, but if you only play with mid to high pairs and combinations of high cards like aces, kings and queens you will be giving yourself a certain advantage about your odds in the game. Beginners tend to think good hands take a lot of time to appear, not true! Learn to have patience and wait.
